This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting fact). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.
Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
When will my nomination be reviewed?
This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.
Where is my hook?
If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.
If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For more information on the DYK rules and review processes, see the DYK guidelines and the reviewer instructions.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:
Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.
Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
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Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
Hook should make sense grammatically.
Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)
For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
Check that there's a bold link to the article.
If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
At the upper left
Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
Change |passed= to |passed=yes
At the bottom
Just above the line containing
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insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
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Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.
Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
View the edit history for that page
Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
... that George Arthur Lincoln, the principal planner of George C. Marshall's World War II military campaigns, liked to spend time "mending fences, attending cattle, and riding" at his ranch in Colorado?
Source: General Lincoln, who won his star at the age of 38, served las General of the Army George C. Marshall's principal planner for American military campaigns in Europe and Asia, including the projected invasion of Japan that dissolved with the atomic mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the Japanese surrender he helped to draft.” NY Times
“The Lincolns have a ranch outside of Denver. The general tries to spend as much of his leisure time as possible there, mending fences, attending cattle and riding” NY Times
The article is long enough and new enough. NYT is a reliable source, but inaccessible to me so I cannot check for close paraphrasing. The basic facts check out, though. QPQ is done. The article needs more wikilinks; even some crucial articles are not linked. The proposed hook is also rather lackluster. Mending fences? The guy apparently divided Korea. Can we not go with that, Thriley (talk)? Surtsicna (talk) 21:07, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have added more about his role in choosing the 38th parallel. I think the hook is good without more context. Readers may be interested in learning more by reading the article. Thriley (talk) 22:20, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, now we have material for a much better hook,Thriley! Could you please propose a hook explaining why Lincoln chose the 38th parallel rather than the 39th, the militarily superior alternative? Surtsicna (talk) 14:54, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Siam Discovery collaborates with the popular art toy LuLu the Piggy to launch Thailand’s first pop-up store, offering exclusive merchandise and experiences from July 5 to August 31, 2024. Siam Discovery The Exploratorium amplifies its positioning as ‘The Biggest Arena of Lifestyle Experiments’ that offers thrilling and exciting experiences where everyone can endlessly Experiment, Create, and Cultivate. Siam Discovery collaborates with the sought-after art toy characters LuLu the Piggy to launch Thailand’s first pop-up store "LuLu the Piggy – Stay with you Bangkok." Making its debut in Thailand, this exclusive pop-up store caters to the growing art toy lover community, underlying Siam Discovery’s "Be the first" commitment. Collectors can now shop their favourite LuLu the Piggy items in Bangkok, thanks to Siam Discovery and Toyzero+, from 5 July to 31 August 2024, on the 1st floor of Siam Discovery." Bangkok Post
The proposed hook is demonstrably false. The source is only saying that it's the first Lulu pop-up store in Thailand, and it's a press release and wouldn't be adequate for such claims anyway. Indeed, the article is cited only to primary sources and press releases; it will need references to independent reliable sources to show notability. The article is missing an important contextual link to art toy in the opening sentence, and the "Characteristic" section fails to frame the description in a real-world perspective. The image copyright might be an issue, as it appears to be a temporary rather than permanent installation so it's unclear whether FOP actually applies. A QPQ review is also needed, as nominator has more than 5 DYKs under another account. Other than that, article is new and long enough. I'm going to fail this as the article needs significant rewriting to properly present the subject's real-world significance, not just its marketing material. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:35, 1 July 2025 (UTC), updated 09:27, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for providing the QPQ and alt hook. The added source provides much more in-depth information, though I'm not knowledgeable enough to assess its independence and am still not quite sure that the article demonstrates the topic's notability well enough. Personally, I don't find Alt1 interesting, but I'm going to go ahead and request a second opinion to help look at the notability concerns. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:41, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As indicated above, I don't feel confident in assessing the topic's notability as demonstrated by the sourcing, and have requested a second opinion. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:38, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: There are other reliable sources that prove the subject is relevant enough to pass as a significant article for Wikipedia; this includes the "Lifestyle Asia" and "Shanghai Municipal People's Government". ChiJap (talk) 00:14, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Bangkok Post piece is also a press release, indicated by the "PR News" tag in the breadcrumb. The Sohu/QQ article I'm not so sure. It's credited to 玩世代, which seems to be a fairly established institutional creator, but I can't tell how independent they are. But so far it's the only third-party source that discusses the topic in depth. Since the other sources (that don't appear to be direct press releases) are only promoting the events and not really about the character itself, I'm afraid this is too borderline notability-wise, so I'll have to fail the DYK. I won't AfD the article, as it seems to have potential, but if ChiJap wants to argue the case there let me know and I'll start a discussion and put the DYK on hold pending the result. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of the subject's notability, I have reservations if any of the hooks proposed meet DYKINT. ALT1 and ALT3 do not meet the interestingness guidelines at all, while ALT2 is likely to be objected to by editors (i.e. "is saying that something is popular automatically interesting?"). Is there anything else that can be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:51, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The fact about it getting attention in Thailand after being spotted in Lisa's Instagram story might work, but I'm not quite sure if it's really suitable for adding to the article. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:51, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
References
^"TOYZEROPLUS与罐头猪LuLu：走出"潮玩圈"皆是旷野" [TOYZEROPLUS and Canned Pig LuLu: Beyond the "trendy toy circle" lies the wilderness] (in Chinese). Sohu. 20 July 2023. Retrieved 1 July 2025.
... that xeokit SDK can visualize 3D BIM models directly in your browser without needing any proprietary software?
Source: xeokit SDK enables the visualization of 3D BIM models in standard web browsers without requiring proprietary software, facilitating vendor-neutral workflows helping avoid vendor lock-in.
Reviewed:
Created by Drashevski (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
The hook as currently written cannot be used as: 1. It fails WP:DYKINT (it is unlikely to interest or even be understood by people lacking specialist knowledge about IT), and 2. It reads like an advertisement for Xeokit. Pinging Maury Markowitz or DigitalIceAge for input on whether or not the article is salvageable and if a better hook can be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:42, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well first off the hood needs a link to the actual article! Looking it over, and some of the external pages, I think this is reasonable article. My only concern is the cites - there's plenty of them but most of them point back to GitHub or similar. There are some reasonable mentions in 3rd party papers (basically the second half of the cite list) but there's also a fair number of passing mentions. As always I err on the side of inclusion, so if anyone agrees this passes, the issue is the hook. This seems reasonably hooky: Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:25, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to disagree with that. The reader has to know what the web is and what a browser is, and I would wager that the average reader what architecture is, and what a 3d model is. They may not know what a software development kit is, but I think they can figure that out from the term itself. This does not seem overly technical or in-universe to me, but YMMV. Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:59, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The layperson probably thinks of "browser" as being like Chrome or Safari (i.e. a web browser), and it's not clear from the hook that it's talking about that. Of course, it could just be because it's full of techy-sounding terms, which muddles the waters somewhat. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Thank you for mentioning me! I hadn't noticed the tag before. I have just published a change adding two more sources and reformulating the statement and I hope it's okay now.--Drashevski12:05, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake, I actually meant {{independent sources}} (I always get primary and independent confused). For example, the sentence "xeokit SDK was presented by its creator, Lindsay Kay, at the Virtual WebGL Meetup in 2020, an industry event hosted by the Khronos Group that also featured speakers from organizations such as Google, Sketchfab, and Microsoft." is cited entirely to the Khronos group and this needs an independent source. There's a lot of these and they need better sources. I can tag them myself inline if needed.--Launchballer13:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that a viral review of Le Cinq(dining room pictured) described it as decorated in "taupe, biscuit, and fuck you"?
ALT1: ... that Le Cinq(dining room pictured) made "the world's most feared restaurant critic" wonder what he could do to it with "a can of kerosene and a box of matches"?
ALT2: ... that a viral review of Le Cinq(dining room pictured) came with pictures of "piles of slime on plates"?
ALT3: ... that "the world's most feared restaurant critic" was made "eye-gougingly, bone-crunchingly, teeth-grindingly angry" by Le Cinq(dining room pictured)?
ALT4: ... that a viral review of Le Cinq(dining room pictured) has been described as "worth a read, in a craning-your-neck-to-look-at-a-very-expensive-car-crash kind of way"?
A restaurant with three Michelin stars deserves its own article, so have trimmed the paragraph (I left the last sentence but would not contest its removal). I need longer to decide whether the review itself also deserves its own article.--Launchballer16:43, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4a: ... that a viral review of Le Cinq by Top Chef Masters judge Jay Rayner(pictured) has been described as "worth a read in a craning-your-neck-to-look-at-a-very-expensive-car-crash kind of way"?
I love multi-hooks and these are all hilarious, Launchballer. Jay Rayner's review of Le Cinq is one of the topics that definitely belong on Wikipedia, yet few would think of writing about. The article has been tagged with Template:Non-free by Tbhotch, but there is no discussion of it on the talk page. Could we straighten this out here? Should we say in wikivoice that "he had been irritated by people moaning about the cost of eating out"? Reference #4 is just a link with a title, nearly a bare URL reference. I am not sure if the article can count as new: the entire content was split from Le Cinq a month after that article was created and nominated here. Other than that, length and sources pose no problems, and I particularly like how the article balances different POVs. The Jay Rayner GA nomination passed on 2 August, so that certainly counts as new. Unsurprisingly, it is also long enough and the sources are impeccable. Neither Earwig nor my spot checks have uncovered any paraphrasing issues. Top Chef Masters was recently and sufficiently expanded. The sources check out and I have not been able to detect any close paraphrasing. I wonder why the date and cause of Floyd Cardoz's death is relevant to the article. Surtsicna (talk) 09:40, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I changed moaning, trimmed Cardoz's death, and filled out some URLs. Per WP:DYKSPLIT, "Articles split from new articles or articles with active nominations remain eligible". As for the tag, I removed some of the smaller quotes, but I think the rest are justified and would invite Tbhotch to explain themself.--Launchballer11:06, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article now looks different from what I read yesterday. Now around 15% of the article is quoted, which is not as bad as the 30% from yesterday. (CC)Tbhotch™21:02, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's all settled then. I cannot honestly say which of these hilarious hooks I consider best. I'd better leave that to the promoter. Like Narutolovehinata5 noted, ALT1a might be the safest choice. Surtsicna (talk) 07:29, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The SMS is a new police service that's suppose to go operational before the end of 2025, assuming Saskatchewan news is up to date. Working on improving and expanding it. As for QPQ, I'm working on the DYK nomination (page) that's being reviewed. Hope that it'll be resolved soon. Apologies for that. Otherwise, I'll go and change it under advisement.
Also, there's no free images of the SMS in Commons.
5x expanded by Ominae (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.
A bit tricky to review, some work is needed on the article side and the DYK side. The article is long enough. A QPQ was done, although it would be better if it specifically noted the process of review. It does not qualify for a 5x expansion as submitted, but does qualify as a new article (courtesy ping Aŭstriano). Not seeing any copyvio. However, the article needs copyediting before it is main-page ready. The prose is choppy, and I'm not sure some of the wording (eg. "legalize the existence of the SMS" is accurate. The tesnses need looking at (eg. "In June 2025, SMS Marshals are deployed in Saskatchewan"), very clearly and as stated in sources [2] the force did start operating in 2025, so the lead is already outdated. The hooks are not sufficient, naming legislation doesn't really pass DYKINT, and the RCMP angle seems to be mostly a rather banal political claim. I would suggest entirely new hooks would be needed. CMD (talk) 11:45, 14 August 2025 (UTC)\[reply]
Source: Cooke, Diane (4 April 1989). "Young, Gifted, and Black". The Manchester Evening News. p. 8.
ALT1: ... that in 2010, activist Andrea Enisuoh and Hackney residents campaigned to keep the name of their local library, honouring Trinidadian writer CLR James? Source: "Andrea Enisuoh". Women From Hackney's History. 1. The Hackney History Society (Friends of Hackney Archives): 45.
Reviewed:
Created by I&I22 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Thank you for joining DYK, Medievalfran. The article is new and looks fairly comprehensive given the coverage, but I am afraid that there are some issues with this nomination. Several paragraphs are missing citations. The hooks are missing wikilinks, but that much is easily sorted. The two greater problems with the original hook is that it is not quite supported in the article and that it is not exactly interesting. I had never heard of a National Union of Students Executive Committee. Frankly, being a first black woman member of it does not sound like much. ALT1 is only slightly better. I suppose something could be done with the Trinidadan television transmission thing, but it is not mentioned in the cited source (which is an issue of its own). Surtsicna (talk) 18:22, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Z1720 Thank you both for your follow-up. I will add citations for missing paragraphs asap. I am not sure how to address the comment, "The two greater problems with the original hook is that it is not quite supported in the article and that it is not exactly interesting. I had never heard of a National Union of Students Executive Committee. Frankly, being a first black woman member of it does not sound like much.". I myself am Black British and find it SHOCKING that Andrea Enisuoh could be the first Black British woman to join the National Union of Students Executive Committee. It would not matter to me that I did not know of the National Union of Students Executive committee was.I would understand thatnthe organisation is a national union aka a big deal and "should" be at the forefront of progressive thought and practices. What this DYK illuminates is that contemporary intersectional systems of oppression are alive and well in London and that advocacy efforts are never-ending and must be continuously maintained, with much work to do. If I was to see this DYK, I, as a reader, would be inspired to double-up my engagement and participation in local community efforts, understanding that all efforts towards peaceful living matter greatly and that it is often mothers leading the charge.
I think the main issue here is that, if a reader is unfamiliar with the National Union of Students Executive Committee, which I imagine is the vast majority of our readers, then they would have no idea why the hook is supposed to be interesting or why it is a big deal that Enisuoh was its first black member. WP:DYKINT may be worth reading here: ideally, hooks need to be understandable and interesting to readers without relying (too much) on specialist or background knowledge. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:57, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5 thank you and yes i understand. The issue is that “interesting” is very subjective and nebulous. Looking at todays Dyk items there are many things not if particular interest that have been nominated, it is easy for systemic oppression to be accidentally perpetrated with nebulous definitions of interest. Re: todays dyk items that have passed into publication, i had no idea what “ the order of the sun” was mentioned in one and yet i get it, it’s an honour. And another boring fact re: Dutch sports team winning some competitions ( that they constantly train for?!), not of interest and not innovative or spectacular news at all? In any case i will reconsider and resubmit. Much thanks for feedback. I&I22 (talk)
Thank you very much, folks (@Surtsicna:, @Narutolovehinata5: and @Z1720:, for input on the above. I'm not entirely sure I have anything else to add which hasn't already been added by another contributor (I&I22, I think): that I do think it is remarkable when someone is the first Black woman to achieve a position in the UK. I also double checked the references and they do support the claims. I also added in wikilinks to the proposed/alt hooks - perhaps this helps with the point that if people aren't familiar with the NUS, it is easy enough for them to look this up. Thanks for any further input here! What's the next step? (also apologies, not sure how to format this section!) Medievalfran (talk) 13:37, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon: thanks for the reply. I was under the impression all discussion of that kind would live here - sorry I’m not sure of the process or the exact page to go to to ask for further input? As noted above I’d like further feedback on the hooks as they are. Thanks for your help!Medievalfran (talk) 14:18, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
People do ask at DYK talk about whether their hooks are interesting. Do ask for help there if you need it, especially as a new nominator. Nominations can get rejected as too old, so it is best to deal with problems promptly or ask for help when you can't resolve them yourself. I have asked the question, so we will see what people think. TSventon (talk) 15:14, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Manchester Evening News article does not discuss the set of NUS executive committee members in detail and I doubt that Women From Hackney's History does either. The wording about "first" hooks was added in May after a discussion here. TSventon (talk) 18:40, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Manchester evening news article states the claim- of her being the first black woman elected to NUS executive committee - in its lede. Do you mean there would have to be further discussion? In that same source? The Socialism Today source also repeats the claim. I’d also like to add here that NUS in UK politics has been very influential - many politicians trace their political career back to NUS roles, so it plays a significant part of the political landscape. Medievalfran (talk) 19:42, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to keep this simple, but essentially DYK has a problem with firsts making it to the main page and WP:ERRORS finding earlier examples. Ideally, you'd want a list of every member who had ever served on the committee, although I suppose the NUS probably keeps decent enough records that this might be alright. I'd also prefer that we put the achievement first per WP:FIRSTWOMAN, so ALT0a: ... that the UK National Union of Students Executive Committee member Andrea Enisuoh was its first Black woman? I'll let someone else here adjudicate on both though.--Launchballer11:38, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello all. As far as I can tell, with the folks involved in this discussion so far we simply cannot reach consensus. I&I and I have outlined our cases, but there seem to be a few layers of DYK-politicking that we've had to crash course on. FWIW, I don't think the 'firsts' discussion for DYK in general linked to here seems very conclusive either. I would echo some comments on that linked discussion that surely there is a case by case basis assessment, rather than a blanket 'problem'. Perhaps this is simply not appropriate for DYK this time round, useful points of the process have been learned - thanks!Medievalfran (talk) 10:43, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Medievalfran
I have found that all the DO NOTs have been seen in recent days on the DYK, so understand this process as a bit subjective. There was a "first" mentioned on DYK in the last few days, or during my research of how to approach this DYK project. I was absorbed with another DYK project Medievalfran so was not active here. I believe that we can see it through. It is important and necessary. I can persevere if you are bogged down at the moment. The Trinidad CLR James Library angle for sure is interesting and also "the first" i shocking given it's not that long ago. I will have spotty wifi as will be in the forest for the next few weeks and would like to continue. In warm solidarity, I&I22 (talk) 13:16, 18 August 2025 (UTC)I&I22[reply]
Revisiting: "first and first Black woman"
Today's DYK contains:
1- a first:
... that Orthetrum japonicum (pictured) was one of the first species of Japanese dragonfly to be recognized and described by Europeans?
2- Blackness mention along the same lines as Enisuoh's ( first Black British woman to join the National Union of Students Executive Committee):
"... that an NAACP chapter successfully protested the appointment of an African bishop to a role at Dartmouth College?"
With this, is it possible to revisit accepting the first initial DYK?
This initial DYK is in keeping with the Aims of DYKs to showcase, highlight, present, acknowledge, encourage. I look forward to knowing your thoughts. Warm regards, I&I22 (talk) 13:48, 20 August 2025 (UTC)I&I22[reply]
WP:OSE might be worth reading. Just because similar cases have been allowed in the past does not mean this should. We often treat things on a case-by-case basis, and even when we discourage against certain things, exceptions may exist. In this case, I'm not sure why there is the apparent preference for a "first" hook given how controversial they are at DYK and when other options may exist. Admittedly, I may be finding difficulty explaining my side here, so I'm inviting two other DYK regulars, Launchballer and Theleekycauldron, to also give advice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:46, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5 Thank you Narutolovehinata5 and not sure if it is intended to be, but WP:OSE is quite a funny reference, as in it made me laugh. Yes, I understand your points completely, however, everything here is so subjective and the various criteria are a bit slippery nebulous to get a handle on. If the dyks fulfill the dyk aims isn't it good to consider them, this is my main issue. The neutrality of Wikipedia is a shifting pov (rightly and leftly so) and not real...or static. Many of the dyks have specific lingo and mysterious abbreviations/acronyms, many are boring to me and not to others, many are interesting to me and not to others...so, not sure where to go and yet absolutely certain the dyks are a good idea. why not try and see, there is nothing to lose...we can see via the pageview stats or something. Speaking for myself as someone who works with many ppl in many different contexts, I am sure that many would be interested. Basically, all the arguments given against, well, there is something to say otherwise. I feel it is too easy to say no and yes, with limited "approving editor" accountability, a bit like getting some articles published. I am attempting to understand the rationale and process and have now looked at many dyks discussion pages and it is becoming more baffling but not inclined to give up. Plus i imagine most like to resolve these dyks quite quickly, instead of reading and writing essays for and against. I appreciate that you, like I have irl lives to live.
And to be clear, all of what I am saying are merely observations as i attempt to connect and learn and figure out what to do next...
This person Andrea Enisuoh, dedicated their life and (possibly endangered their health) to altruistic activism, this generosity of autotelic and humane spirit is in itself FASCINATING. She did not do things for her own benefit and her extraordinary efforts were completely at service to the community, many of whom were probably unknown and future ancestors. She even managed to inspire her child to follow a similar path. These kinds of people and events are worth taking time to celebrate. I do not think that things need be sensational to be interesting. There is something to be said about relatability and extraordinary activism that solicits results. "If she can do it, I can do it!" that is also interesting. Anyways I am sure there is a wp name for too long responses! wp: segue mayhem perhaps. Excuse me and look forward to hearing the others' opinions. Peace out warmly I&I22 (talk) 04:48, 22 August 2025 (UTC)I&I22[reply]
I was invited to look into this nom but was busy elsewhere. (I'd be pleased if everybody could try to write shorter comments, for those who want to get an overview.) I find the original hook interesting, because the name describes the character of the organisation even for someone not knowing it before. I'd find it more interesting if "in London" was added, to see at a glance where this plays. I find the original, about the national organisation, more telling and thus interesting than the ALT about the local library. A few hints for the article: the refs in the lead could be moved to where the facts are mentioned in the body. There could be more lead. I don't think I ever saw "parent" in an infobox as an occupation, and don't see much about her parenting in the article. I think that some terms would be quite as good lower case, such as executive committee. Can we find a place of death? - General advice: the indenting editor is confused by blank lines. I fixed it here.
Firstly, the hook is about a superlative (last) and the article says that some scholars dispute its accuracy. WP:DYKHOOK says Hooks with exceptional claims require exceptional sourcing. Superlative hooks such as first/biggest/most are discouraged as they are regularly debunked at ERRORS. I think a different hook should be nominated.
Concerning the first point, I felt that the source provided was sufficient, though I cannot recall reviewing a hook that dealt with an exceptional claim such as the one presented here before, so I'll defer for the time being. For the second point, I see that the Earwig check indicates a 35.1% similarity, though the tool also notes that "Violation unlikely", and additionally, a check of the English-language version of the article shows only a 2.0% similarity. I'm not sure exactly what to do about this, though I'm definitely open for further discussion with other DYK reviewers. Additionally, if the submitter can provide an ALT hook that does not raise any concerns, I could review that as well. Regards, -JJonahJackalope (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@JJonahJackalope: you can approve the hook, but as the wording of WP:DYKHOOK was changed recently to discourage first/last hooks, it is likely to be disputed before it gets to the main page.
The 35.1% Earwig percentage does not tell you if there was a copyright violation or not, you need to click on "compare" for the first few items and check the detail. As the article is a close translation of the French version, a copyright violation in one is likely to mean a copyright violation in the other, which the tool won't pick up. TSventon (talk) 20:19, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon:, thanks for the feedback on this. Having given it some thought, I feel like it is best to err on the side of caution and request a new hook to be produced that does not (at the very least) toe the line with the DYK policy. Additionally, I'll conduct a more thorough review of the English article to see if it is likely that a copyright violation is present. I'll also ping @Moondragon21: to inform them of this discussion. Regards, -JJonahJackalope (talk) 20:28, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21 and JJonahJackalope:, is the Alt1 fact correct? According to ref 2, Revue historique des armées, The losses ... during the days of 9, 10 and 11 November 1918, were 96 killed and 198 wounded [viaGoogle translate], so ref 1, the i, probably also refers to three days of casualties. Also the hook fact and reference(s) need to be included in the article. TSventon (talk) 16:01, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21 and TSventon: It appears that the hook has been amended to address the fact that the deaths occurred over several days. Additionally, the fact has been added to the article with proper inline citing. That being said, I'm a bit concerned that ALT1 is not consistent with the guidelines at WP:DYKINT, namely that "The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic." To be blunt, I'm not sure if the average person would find it unusual or intriguing that French soldiers were killed during a WWI battle. -JJonahJackalope (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that, and you included a link to that in the ALT hook, but still, I don't think it's that surprising that there was a battle that had casualties during the last day of a war. Is there anything more interesting that can be used as a hook for this article? -JJonahJackalope (talk) 16:59, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that it is interesting that the battle took place while the armistice was being negotiated, see reference 2, Revue historique des armées. TSventon (talk) 17:10, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
JJonahJackalope, you haven't commented on my summary of the French Earwig report. If in doubt you could ask at DYK talk. Also, some sources don't look reliable, e.g. actifforum.com, over-blog.com and wordpress.com. TSventon (talk) 17:20, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Moondragon21|TSventon, I agree that it is interesting that the battle occurred while the armistice was being negotiated, as stated above. However, it seems as though there are a good number of issues with this article as it currently stands, including possible copyright violations stemming from its original French-language article and possibly unreliable sources, as stated above. Therefore, it seems that some extensive work may be required before this article is ready for DYK approval. -JJonahJackalope (talk) 11:36, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
reliable sources: I suggest that you look at all the sources and decide if they look like WP:RS if they don't, a better source should be found or the content should be removed. Websites like actifforum.com, over-blog.com and wordpress.com don't look reliable to me, but do your own checks.
copyright violations in the French article: I have listed what look like copyright violations in the French article below. You need to look at the EARWIG report for fr:Bataille de Vrigne-Meuse yourself and click on compare for the sites I have listed. Generally you can avoid copyright violations by summarising copyright material in your own words.
A hook that that the battle took place while the armistice was being negotiated, see reference 2, Revue historique des armées, could be interesting. TSventon (talk) 22:59, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21: you have removed the actifforum.com and over-blog.com sources I queried, can you explain if you think the wordpress.com source is reliable. You have made minimal changes to the text since I posted the Earwig report at 19:43, 8 July 2025, so I don't think you have dealt with any copyright violations. I have added translations of the sentences Earwig marked as duplicates below. The alt hook fact needs to be stated and referenced in the article, but I can't see it at present. TSventon (talk) 22:16, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon: Apologies the wordpress ref referenced another source in the article. I am confused by the Earwig report. Is this the English article or the French article? Moondragon21 (talk) 11:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21: The Earwig report relates to the French article and shows that the French article copied whole sentences from several sources with only minor modifications, which is a copyright violation if it takes "any creative expression" from the sources. You translated the French article, so the corresponding sentences will also violate copyright if they take "creative expression" from the sources. See Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing, especially the "translation" section for an explanation. TSventon (talk) 13:31, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon: I did translate the French article but not without alteration. The two articles look different now particularly the references which were changed. Can you please highlight the problematic sections for me. Moondragon21 (talk) 16:18, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21: Diannaa said There's definitely enough copyvio that the article will have to be cleaned. The problem is copied or closely paraphrased text, so changing the references but not the text does not deal with the problem. TSventon (talk) 16:18, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21 and JJonahJackalope: I think that you should be able to recognise the quotes on the talk page in the article. Earwig has added another source so I have added that at the bottom. It might be a good idea to check at DYK talk when you are done. TSventon (talk) 17:05, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21:, I think your edit here is close paraphrasing, so it doesn't solve the copyright problems. For example replacing "son, husband or brother" with "husband, brother or son" doesn't change the structure of the sentence. TSventon (talk) 00:45, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21 and JJonahJackalope: sentences based on copyright material should look as though you (Moondragon21) have summarised them in your own words. This is an essential part of writing for Wikipedia. I have posted an example on the talk page. TSventon (talk) 13:14, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21: your latest edit is still close paraphrasing, not summarising in your own words, so it is not sufficient. Your edit of 10:46 made the text 29 bytes longer, while a summary should be shorter. I have reverted part of your edit, as it changed the number of French soldiers from 700 to three times 700. TSventon (talk) 23:08, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21: I think that your edit on 18 August deals with the copyright issue, I have left a note on JJonahJackalope's talk page, but they have not edited since 9 August, so they may not be available at the moment. Could you produce an alternative hook about the last French soldiers to die, as the article questions whether we know who was the last to die? Then I would like to check the wording at DYK talk. TSventon (talk) 11:15, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, you should be careful not to change the meaning when summarising. I have just changed one of your sentences because "suffered fatal injuries" us not the same as "was killed" and the reported time of death was 10:45am, not "just before ... 11:00am". TSventon (talk) 12:49, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Faldi00: Article new enough (Jul 6), long enough (3400 B), no copyvio (Earwig says 2.0%, and no close paraphrasing detected). Hook is interesting. However, some concerns about sourcing; can you explain what makes Sangonet and Lopinionplus reliable sources? — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)01:07, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: Sangonet has been cited by a journal authored by Mehler[1] and books titled Making Sense of the Central African Republic[2] and Idriss Deby and the Darfur Conflict.[3] Since Sangonet has been cited by journal and books, the website can be considered as reliable. Regarding Lopinionplus, unfortunately, there is little online information about it. Faldi00 (talk) 17:14, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Over time, she formed relationships with members of the revolutionary movement—including a brief romantic relationship with Arévalo, with whom she had a son, Julio [es]—and embraced their ideals." Sourced from Leyte Chávez 2022, p. 129: "Her brief romantic relationship with Juan José Arévalo, the country's first democratically elected president, among other events, highlights the writer's obvious closeness to the revolutionary regime from its earliest years. Even after the relationship between Arévalo and Foppa broke up, her commitment to the Revolution's political and cultural project remained."
ALT1: ... that Alaíde Foppa taught the first class on women's sociology at a Latin American university?"
Source: At the School of Political Science, she offered the first course on the sociology of women ever to be offered at a Latin American university." [3]
ALT2: ... that Alaíde Foppa speaks on behalf of all women in her poem "Ella se siente"?
Source: "In this poem ["Ella se siente"], using the personal pronoun Ella, which serves as the subject, Foppa refers to every woman who exists and has existed on earth and speaks of her state of mind, a state of mind universally shared by individuals of the female sex." (Cocco 2023, p. 23)
That's fair. Did think of that after I made the nomination. I don't know if there's anything else in the article that's quite as hooky/would inspire as many clicks (which is of secondary importance) that isn't related to her disappearance, which I think would be even worse, but I'll go ahead and add some alts. Hopefully these better reflect her life and individual agency as a person. Spookyaki (talk) 20:07, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your work on this excellent article, Spookyaki. I did not know about Foppa. The nomination came the day the article passed its GA nomination, so it counts as new. I see no copyright or neutrality issues. Length is obviously not an issue. I am not happy with any of the hooks, however. I agree with Jolielover that focusing on a relationship would be unfortunate, but ALT1 and ALT3 do not strike me as interesting either, while ALT2 is not really what the source says. I am convinced that this article can produce something much better. Surtsicna (talk) 15:13, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
After scanning the article a few more times for material, I'm not sure it can? I think Foppa's life is very interesting in total, but no other factoid that isn't about her disappearance stands out to me as being particularly hookable. I am strongly opposed to running a hook on her disappearance and would much rather run one about her life. If you have any suggestions, let me know. Spookyaki (talk) 16:16, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4: ... that Alaíde Foppa used the airwaves of Mexico City to launch a feminist "forum for women"? This would be my proposal, Spookyaki. It would be even better, I think, if we had an article about her Foro de la Mujer, which could be added to this nomination to make a double hook ("to launch a feminist "forum for women"). Let me know what you think. Surtsicna (talk) 21:15, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm good with that! Unfortunately, I don't think there are enough sources out there on the Foro de la Mujer to do a full article about it, but I'm fine with it as part of the hook. Spookyaki (talk) 02:42, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am having some difficulty accessing it to find where the citation supports the hook. Can you quote what is being cited from The New York Times that supports the hook's claim that the Scottish in the 18th century added water to marmalade to produce a less solid preserve than before? Aneirinn (talk) 08:04, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Floating Orb: Please note that WP:CLOP talks about superficial modification of material from another source.. Your recent edit is just more superficial modification. You need to summarize source material in [your] own words. RoySmith(talk)10:27, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: ChatGPT was used very lightly for research, source #38 was the only source suggested by ChatGPT that I ended up using, and I left it in the URL for transparency purposes! I can also remove/replace the source too. I'll also remove the GA nom per WP:SNOWBALL, and adjust the ref list per WP:RSP, and lengthen the lead! Thank you so much! - 1dagsvlieg
... that Qla', a ruin located in the Samarian highlands of what is now the West Bank, was a royal production center of the Kingdom of Israel in the 8th century BCE?
Source: Eitam, David; Lederman, Zvi; Kleiman, Assaf (2024-01-02). "Qlaʿ: A Royal Oil- and Wine-Production Centre in the Kingdom of Israel". Tel Aviv. 51 (1): 18–19. doi:10.1080/03344355.2024.2327798. ISSN 0334-4355.
ALT1: ... that in the 8th century BCE, the Kingdom of Israel operated a royal production center at Qla', a site in today's West Bank? Source: Eitam, David; Lederman, Zvi; Kleiman, Assaf (2024-01-02). "Qlaʿ: A Royal Oil- and Wine-Production Centre in the Kingdom of Israel". Tel Aviv. 51 (1): 18–19. doi:10.1080/03344355.2024.2327798. ISSN 0334-4355.
ALT2: ... that Qla', located in what is now the West Bank, was a royal center for olive oil and wine production in the Kingdom of Israel during the 8th century BCE? Source: Eitam, David; Lederman, Zvi; Kleiman, Assaf (2024-01-02). "Qlaʿ: A Royal Oil- and Wine-Production Centre in the Kingdom of Israel". Tel Aviv. 51 (1): 18–19. doi:10.1080/03344355.2024.2327798. ISSN 0334-4355.
Reviewed:
Created by ADeeperUnderstanding (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that Dan Pashman spent three years working on a new pasta shape which he called Cascatelli (pictured), after the Italian word for waterfall?
Source: "Add cascatelli — inspired by the Italian word for waterfall, cascata — to your pasta vocabulary and your pantry. This new pasta shape was invented after three years of research and development by Dan Pashman, the host of the podcast The Sporkful, with the expertise of Sfoglini, a pasta company based in West Coxsackie, N.Y., in the Hudson Valley. The creation story has been documented on Mr. Pashman’s podcast as “Mission: Impastable.” He insisted on a shape that could be speared with a fork, and that would hold sauce well and have a proper bite. Traditionally extruded pasta shapes are made by forcing the dough through a die; a new, high-quality bronze die was made for cascatelli. The shape is a bit larger than most short pastas, but it’s very good, especially for simpler, less ingredient-heavy sauces like marinara, carbonara, pesto and arrabbiata."
New enough: - No, Dan Pashman was expanded from 127 words (or generously outside the 7 day from 83 words) to 291 words in the last 7 days. Not fivefold.
Ah! I missed that you moved it from a draft space I just checked the bottom of the page. I'm a new reviewer. Won't make that mistake again! Thanks for pointing this out!
Was hoping this was a simple case of using the DYK checker tool as I get practice with this. I think this hook is good, but maybe the tag on the page still needs to resolved before it's approved. I'm sure a more senior reviewer can take a look. - SquawkGuard (talk) 05:19, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The {{bare urls}} tag wasn't valid. You do have multiple references missing publishers and accessdates, and please fix those anyway, but this isn't technically a DYK criterion. Neither is the {{clump}} tag I just added, although it really, really should be. That said, I just copyedited this and that took this below 1500 characters, which is a showstopper. Please add another 300 characters of new information to the article.--Launchballer14:47, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "US justice department finds no Epstein 'client list'": "The DoJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients, will that really happen?", Bondi was asked on Fox, to which she replied: "It's sitting on my desk right now to review".
Comment: I have never seen a video in a DYK set, but WP:DYKIMG implies that videos are allowed ("an associated image or other piece of media"). Of course, Bondi in this video denies saying what she said in the Fox interview, but as far as I can tell the mainstream sources concur that she did say it; I included the word "apparently" just in case.
I appreciate the created by credit, however, I only added two sentences to the article so it should probably just stay with the other three. Thank you for thinking of me, though! Chetsford (talk) 17:01, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I very much doubt that. Most people are not US Americans; only about 4% are. Most readers of this Wikipedia are not US Americans; only about 25% are. And even among those, I dare say that most do not know this. Surtsicna (talk) 22:21, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is global news, especially in the areas most enwiki readers are from. It's being reported by the newspapers of record in Australia, Brazil, China, France, India, and these are just the countries I checked.
And even among [USians], I dare say that most do not know this.
Huh, I didn't know that; it does seem like a tabloid. I feel obliged to apologize to something about this.
Also, I don't know how this happened but on review I only searched for links about Trump being told his name appears in the list. Though I'm still not sure it's considered interesting, I'll withdraw my opposition then. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:17, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What I saw here was a hook about a highly controversial subject with questions being raised about whether the hook is misleading, about WP:NPOV, about the wording of the hook, and about whether we should run the video. These are questions that need to be resolved, and it's much easier to resolve them here at the nomination page where there's no time pressure than to do it on the queue, where the clock is ticking down to when it hits the main page. RoySmith(talk)19:05, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru, would rewording "(video featured)" resolve your concerns? I see now that I originally suggested "(in the video)" after Bondi's name. See above. I am open to other suggestions too, of course. Surtsicna (talk) 21:19, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Surtsicna:, speaking personally I would be happy with a change to "(video featured)", I'm not convinced there are any wider issues with the hook or article. It is possible to report the whole timeline of events without necessarily implying Bondi is lying or anything - it is well sourced at [4] and other places that she apparently answered a question about the client list by saying it was on her desk and then later said she meant something else. I'm not convinced it's a BLP violation or that this amounts to an accusation of perjury in WikiVoice... Politicians do this sort of obfuscation all the time AFAIK and you can hide almost anything under cover of vague language 🙃
As for what to say about the video, I think something along the lines you said at WT:DYK would be good. Let readers know this her later explanation rather than the original statement about the files being on her desk. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 07:04, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
AirshipJungleman proposed a hook on WT:DYK that I think with a bit of modification works:
ALT1b: ... that months after the US Attorney General stated that the Jeffrey Epstein client list was "sitting on my desk", she said her remark had been misinterpreted (video featured)?
You can't say that she "stated" that the list was sitting on her desk because she says she didn't say that. That's why I formulated ALT1 as I did. But you could go with:
@Surtsicna, I think I already stated in the WT:DYK discussion that I didn't see any problems with the original hook. However the hook has been pulled and I think it's best to find an alternative which is not going to get pulled again. TarnishedPathtalk00:16, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, TarnishedPath, and you also approved it as reviewer. It was pulled because of "a lot of disagreement" and I would like to ascertain who actually disagrees with the original hook. If the original hook is within policy, I would much prefer to run it as the most interesting one. Surtsicna (talk) 08:50, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru objected to the original hook because it didn't fully jell with the featured video clip. I then objected to use of the word "apparently" as arguably both a POV term and one at variance with the requirement that hooks be comprised of "definite facts" per WP:HOOK. So for all those reasons, I don't think ALT0 is viable. Gatoclass (talk) 11:12, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Gatoclass. Is it not possible to mention that the Department of Justice declared that the list did not exist instead of Bondi claiming that her statement was misinterpreted? TarnishedPath, I feel like politicians claiming that their remarks were misinterpreted is far too common to be particularly interesting. Perhaps the concerns of both Gatoclass and Amakuru could be resolved with ALT2: ... that months after US Attorney General Pam Bondi said in response to a question about the Epstein client list that "it's sitting on my desk", her department declared the list non-existent (Bondi explaining in video)? No "apparently", no simple "video featured". Surtsicna (talk) 13:43, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That wouldn't work Surtsicna because the video does not even mention the JD. If you wanted to include the JD info, IMO you would have to go back to the original ALT1, ie:
And that, as I am sure you will agree, would raise eyebrows due to extreme length. So again the issue is just how to introduce the video. ALT2a: ... that months after US Attorney General Pam Bondi(in video) said in response to a question about the Epstein client list that "it's sitting on my desk", her department declared the list non-existent? Does this not cut it? Amakuru? This just says that she is in the video, right? The caption of the video can go into detail if it needs to. Surtsicna (talk) 18:56, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be OK with that if that's what will find compromise, even though I don't particularly onject to the original hook either. It would be ideal to clarify that the Bondi video is related to the incident, rather than just any old video that she happens to be in, but we can sort that with a caption if necessary, as you mention. — Amakuru (talk) 20:40, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I do not see why we need to say "in response to a question", ~~ AirshipJungleman29. I do not see what value that adds. ALT2b would do just fine in my opinion: ... that months after US Attorney General Pam Bondi said the Epstein client list was "sitting on my desk", her department declared it did not exist? But if we need "in response to a question", there is no way to word this hook using fewer characters. Surtsicna (talk) 12:41, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2c: ... that months after US Attorney General Pam Bondi said the Epstein client list was "sitting on my desk", her department declared the list non-existent?
Because that she wasn't referring to the list in particular is what Bondi says she actually meant (as you see in the video), and currently the shortest way we've come up with for this without asserting that she was referring to the list involves "in response to a question". Aaron Liu (talk) 13:04, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2b does not presume to say what she meant. It says what she said. It is accurate. But if we have to take into account her later statement that she meant something else, then, yeah, ALT2a is the shortest we can hope for. Surtsicna (talk) 16:01, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fwiw, the actual buried lede is the thing's already been published three separate times: by Gawker, by 8chan, and by Business Insider. That's the hook that DYK browsers (if not the professional media) would find astonishing, given the way the story's generally presented. But if you're really in love with the video of Ms Bondi's waffling / lie, eh, fine. Another vote for, no, you don't actually need to say "in response to a question" since she said what she said with a specific grammatical referrent, regardless of how she'd like to triangulate people's memory of that now. A decision by Wikimedia's lawyers about exposure they want to avoid is one thing but, no, there's no actual black letter policy that you have to accommodate simple memoryholing of things that are recorded on (nondeepfaked) camera. — LlywelynII19:05, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It does look interesting, Launchballer, but wouldn't hook NPOV be a concern here since the justice department says that the list does not exist? I have no idea what the consensus is in the sources about whether the list exists. Surtsicna (talk) 11:24, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair, TarnishedPath, but could you explain how? Do we not have sources saying that it does exist and source(s) saying that it does not and we are choosing to say outright that it does exist? Does this not contradict the article's definition of the list as a "hypothesized document"? Surtsicna (talk) 11:41, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not an American, so perhaps the average American's knowledge of the situation is better than mine. That said, as far as I'm aware, the source stating that it doesn't exist is Trump's DOJ and that body has made contradictory statements. It doesn't strike me that Trump's DOJ is reliable for any statements about the existence of Epstein's list. Therefore if we have multiple reliable sources stating that it has been published on three separate occasions, I take it that that claim is WP:DUE. But again, I'm not an American. TarnishedPathtalk13:07, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As a passerby American I also support ALT3. If there are any concerns about asserting that thing to be the list that the DOJ says does not exist, we could swap "client list" with "book of names" or something of the sort. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:03, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is just no way that will fly at WP:ERRORS. We cannot possibly say, without any ifs or buts, that the list has been published if the very first thing we say about it in the article is that it is a hypothesized document. What was published is a contacts list, not a client list. The contacts list includes celebrities but also people like his gardeners and barbers. The NY Post and the Guardian explain the distinction (but the former is on our list of unreliable sources). Surtsicna (talk) 06:52, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4: ... that Jeffrey Epstein's contact list has been published three times but the existence of a separate client list is a matter of extreme controversy?
@Surtsicna: Something like this is entirely solid, though, right? or would we need
That's factual, though I would perhaps remove "extreme", and it is interesting indeed. I still prefer the Bondi angle (ALT2b or ALT2c) as the most interesting, but ALT5 is a close second best in my opinion. Surtsicna (talk) 06:25, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the flatbread luchi is typically five to six inches in diameter, but a version served in one village is as small as one inch?
Source: [5]In appearance a luchi is a round golden disc, 12.5–15 cm (5–6") in diameter … Ray, Pranab (July 1987). Banglar Khabar বাংলার খাবার [Food of Bengal] (in Bengali). Kolkata: Sahityolok. pp. 32–34.
Comment: I will note, I partially translated this article from the Bengali Wikipedia, which cites some sources I cannot access online. I have submitted a WP:RX request to access the cited pages, but it's unlikely I'll access it within one week, so this DYK will have to involve some heavy AGF.
5x expanded by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.
@Launchballer: I personally think translating from another wiki is more like expanding an article that already has substantial content—I've only kept statements that are appropriate and verifiable. But I understand your point. There are two sources cited that I do not have access to: Banglar Khabar by Pranab Ray (1987) and Khai Kintu Jani Ki by Debasish Mukhopadhyay (2019). As I mentioned above, I have requested these sources on WP:RX so I can verify this information. But one of these sources is cited for the DYK hook, which means the hook is unverified. I can try to come up with a hook that uses a source I can access. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)18:15, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps this might work:
ALT1: ... that the flatbread luchi was historically made with bananas instead of water?
Comment: May not prefer to run ALT2 as the source it uses was published before the park was opened, though there may be a source that details such info published after the park's opening. Also open to alter any of the above hooks. I shall review some hooks to cut the DYK backlog!
Improved to Good Article status by Icepinner (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
I don't know enough about art to say for certain which image is preferable. Thus, I am submitting both images that we have on commons. 4 of the 5 different language versions of the article use the one on the right.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:49, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cited: - The hook sentence is sourced to Fox News which is often considered unreliable.
Interesting:
Other problems: - The hook states the value in US$ when the transaction appears to have been in Euro (€). Per MOS:€ the Euro has equal standing with the dollar and is more appropriate in this case, being the actual currency used.
I reckon that the word national should be lower case when embedded in this sentence so, with that proviso and the currency being Euro, the ALT1b hook is ok.
user:Andrew Davidson, my only qualm with the higher resolution file is the brown strip across the top. I am wondering if we could get a better file somewhere. Since the intention is to get this a picture slot at DYK, I am going to check at commons and see if there is anything we can do.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:14, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I came here to move this forward, but I'm not sure what the issue is here. Is it just about the image? If the image is an issue, the hook could run without it. For what it's worth, I do think ALT2 is good and meets our guidelines, including those regarding interest. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:43, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
this and the image. I am going to visit the AIC on August 7 for a lecture on the painter of this image. I have requested that Canon send me a very fast prime lens (I am a member of Canon Professional Services which entitles me to request that they send me almost any piece of equipment to evaluate once for 10 days) to improve the image. They are going to ship (probably overnight) the lens next Monday. Currently, we have the low res image, high res with a band and cropped high res. I hope to get really good image. This is a really great picture slot hook. The main page viewers like high art. I'm pretty sure the hook will get 10k plus views in the picture slot, given my history with high art.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:53, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the issue here is about images, couldn't the hook just run without a picture? That's an option, and there's no guarantee that this would run with an image anyway even if it was promoted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:52, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I replied to you with a diff with an edit summary adding a second article. So obviously a second article needs to be reviewed. I do also think this article would be served by a better pic and am going to an event at the Art Institute of Chicago today to try to take one. This article is less than three weeks old, so what is the rush to get this to the approved section without making it the best article we can.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:36, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE I did attend a lecture today at the Art Institute of Chicago. I also took my camera and got photos of 4 subjects, including Boating Party. The other three subjects are the three subjects that are in the Art Institute app 12-stop Essentials Tour that did not have any articles on WP before my visit there on July 19 (America Windows, User:TonyTheTiger/Sandbox/City Landscape and Buddha Shakyamuni). I have about 46.5 hours remaining to timely nominate America Windows at DYK, making that the most urgent of the photography subjects to get together. This could probably sit here for at least 30 days before it becomes untimely, so I would request that you give me 7-10 days to handle editing Boating Party pics.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:38, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: In “relations with foreign nations,” the government was one “possessing the powers . . . for protection and security, . . . with authority to determine” when “the powers shall be called forth” and “the occasion” of their use. Congress’s decisions on such matters were “conclusive upon the judiciary” and all U.S. “departments and officers.” They were “not questions for judicial determination.” -Status Manipulation in Chae Chan Ping v. United States
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Irruptive Creditor (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment, not review@CNMall41: this is not yet ready for DYK, the first problem is the article needs 1,500 characters of prose, but it only has 611 at present. I would recommend reading Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, especially the articles and hooks sections. Also the hooks need to include a bold link to the article. TSventon (talk) 06:02, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon:, thanks for the feedback. I was aware of the 1,500 based on the popup, but submitted anyway with the intent of adding the rest right after. My mind got twisted and I went to bed without doing it, so apologies for leaving it open ended like that. I have since expanded and also bolded the hooks based on my reading (which could be wrong) of WP:DYKHOOK. CNMall41 (talk) 17:32, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720: yes, my concerns have been resolved and this is ready for a full review. I am not sure whether a list with no inline citations for its members is suitable for DYK, but the reviewer can decide about that. TSventon (talk) 17:20, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify, I did include inline citations. I also verified there were previous lists used for DYK prior to filing as I wasn't sure myslef at first. CNMall41 (talk) 17:26, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I misunderstood your original question, but re-reading, I see you said "members" of the list (aka, the courses). The prose is where the inline were placed, not the individual courses as they are all verifiable from the linked pages. No courses are on the list (nor should they be added to the list) that do not have a Wikipedia page. I cannot tell you for sure why the lists you cited included inline sources. I will assume that lists such as this are fully cited because there are a lot of redlinks. This and similar are fairly easy with only a dozen or so entries. List of golf courses in the United States has hundreds of entries which all correspond to a live Wikipedia page (note that I did not include those which were redirects yet still listed in the category for courses based on state). I am not sure if it is a requirement for DYK or not to be honest, but all members of the list are verifiable. CNMall41 (talk) 19:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I figured as must since it would similar to WP:GACR6. My interpretation is that it would not be reasonably challenged as the only claim is that a specific golf course is within a specific state as verified on that Wikipedia page for the course. But of course, that is just my opinion. Thanks for taking a look and getting me over the line to a review. CNMall41 (talk) 20:01, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from the sourcing issues, I have concerns about both hooks not meeting WP:DYKDEFINITE. Both numbers could easily change by the month, and they could easily be outdated. My suggestions would be to include an "as of" date as well as going with a less precise figure (i.e. over 1,200 or over 16,000). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:, yes you are correct about the empty sections. Wikipedia has NO pages for golf courses in those states and I cannot locate any notable enough to create unfortunately. CNMall41 (talk) 21:30, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pangalau: Did the island become the sultan's palace or did it house his palace? I also don't seen an explicit mention of this hook in the article, i.e. that the island was (or housed) a palace during the war. Yue🌙02:05, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pangalau: The hook should be explicitly mentioned / paraphrased in the article with the same citation, per WP:DYKHOOKCITE. Right now part of this hook is only implied in the article, but the reader has to make that specific connection themselves while reading the article without anything in the prose suggesting a notable connection. Yue🌙17:24, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Yue: The hook has been paraphrased and appears in ALT1.
usual rule for dyk is that article has achieved ga. Not an absolute rule but certainly improves your chances. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:59, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correction re GA accepted. But a dyk attracts attention to an article and I think it needs more "self-contained". Would a reader in Minnesota be able to get the essentials without having to read four or five more articles? (Conversely of course, would adding more background movement it to tl;dr territory?)
Comment 1 I would be concerned by the first DYK as potentially misleading (which is also why it is controversial). It is somewhat economical with the truth to say that it has "nothing to do with EU standards". It is that the product is not warranted to meet EU standards (unlike other UK products intended for export to the EU, which must be.)
Comment 2 re the Alt, the word slammed is v tabloid headline wording. And a single source, even though it is the CEO of a major retailer, is less than ideal. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:54, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean for ALT0, the source says "and it doesn’t relate to products not being up to EU standards". And for Alt1, I have decided to replace the word 'slam' with 'criticise' and to say a UK retailer instead. JuniperChill (talk) 16:27, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a:... that the "Not for EU" label does not relate to do with the UK not meeting EU food standards?
ALT1a:... that a UK retailer have criticised the "Not for EU" label as it has one of the world's highest food standards?
@JuniperChill and JMF: Full review: Article is new enough and does not trigger Earwig apart from some unavoidable phrasings. QPQ checks out. As far as hooks: 'ALT1b appears in the article, is interesting enough, and is sourced inline. However, ALT0b and its variations are difficult to find in the article text. Additionally, the lead contains many sentences that are not contained in the main body of the article and are unsourced. Further work on the article is required to meet MOS:LEAD, but is not insurmountable. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs01:25, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Darth Stabro:, I will go and work on the article within a week as I'm quite busy. I can go and scrap ALT0 and replace it with ALT2: that some customers suggest the "Not for EU" label means that UK food standards have dropped since Brexit? That's already mentioned under section "meaning". JuniperChill (talk) 09:48, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the medieval theologian Erasmus believed that the English Votive Style of choral music lacked in religious devotion? Source: Mynors, R.A.B (1976). The Correspondence of Erasmus: Letters 298 to 445 (1514–1516). University of Toronto Press. pp. 279–282.
Comment: Article created by a new editor and found through WP:NPP, so I beg a couple of days extension to WP:DYKNEW, along with forgiveness from Eurostarguage if I've misunderstood anything in the article.
Created by Eurostarguage (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 26 past nominations.
Hello, Saltymagnolia, review is as follows: Article looks good and received 5x expansion within the timeframe. QPQ checks out, Earwig checks out. Image is confirmed to be in the public domain and appears well at size. As far as hooks go, they're all interesting, however there are some issued. ALT0 is a "first" hook and as such requires extraordinary sourcing to prove it per WP:DYKDEFINITE; I'm not sure if the included source counts. I don't think the source for ALT1 is reliable as it's a random slideshow from the Internet. ALT2 does not seem to be mentioned in the article or cited inline from what I see. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs14:51, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Darth Stabro: I have a few questions/statements about this.
I'm not certain what you mean about the cited source possibly being insufficient for ALT0.
For this source, I believe WP:SPS applies. Brendon Baillod, who also released it as a video on YouTube. Baillod is a widely respected historian of the region, who has been cited by, among other publications, the Smithsonian Magazine, and NPR. The YouTube video, along with an "at=" note for the timestamp in the references might be a better idea though.
For ALT2, the line [...] very few other contemporaneous vessels could "rival them for their good looks" is intended to correspond to the hook. Granted, it covers all of the vessels built in the style rather than the Gayley exclusively, but I believe it still applies.
... that one contemporary reviewer was suspicious of an unacknowledged translation of Les Malheurs de l'inconstance because "French principles and French depravity mark the whole work" ? Source: "This novel is a translation of “LES MALHEURS DE L’INCONSTANCE.”’.... Compare the suspicion of the Critical Review: ‘In looking over several of these letters, we are struck with almost a conviction that they are a translation, or at least a very strict imitation from the French’ (3rd ser. 19 (Apr 1810): 377–83 (p. 379))." [7]. Full 1810 review here
Not a review, but per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, superlatives like "first X" are strongly discouraged in DYK hooks as it is hard to source them. I would suggest moving away from it and proposing something else. I could suggest proposing a hook based on Pope Leo XIV, but we've already had a few hooks about him recently, and him being an Augustinian is already fairly well-known, so that's a road that's already well-taken. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:53, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Understandable, and that's why I wanted to highlight Atkinson rather than Leo. Would something like ALT1: ... that Bill Atkinson, a member of the Order of St. Augustine in the United States, was one of the first quadriplegic priest in the history of the Catholic Church after recieving special permission from Paul VI? Source: [8] (Swapped sources for one that includes all the assertions in the hook for the sake of simplicity)
The nomination and article have multiple issues that need to be addressed before this can be approved. The most pressing right now is that no QPQ has been provided; the nomination will be closed within 24 hours if one is not given. Apart from the QPQ issue, there are also others: the source does not make it clear that the Essex International mentioned in the article is the same company as Superior Essex. The source to the "wiring products" claim is cited to a press release that is giving a 410 error; although a press release, if it was an uncontroversial claim, I'm willing to allow it. Otherwise, the article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. It's a bit light on details especially regarding its failed release, but there's just enough of it to pass DYKCOMPLETE. ALT0 is too specialist and is thus rejected, while ALT1 is borderline; if this is approved, only ALT1 will remain for consideration. Also, while not exactly a disqualifying issue since it is not the bolded link, the article for Superior Essex has a big orange template at the top; one possible solution could be to remove Essex's name from the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:27, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If this is to run, the other possibility is this:
ALT1a ... that SX 200microcontroller was designed and built by a company mostly known for its wiring products?
The original review only checked article criteria (i.e. newness, length, etc.) but did not check other aspects like close paraphrasing, hook interest, inline citations, source verification, checking the QPQ, etc. Anyway, I see that you've done a checklist review, so that should suffice for now, this is just a reminder for next time. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:58, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Other problems: - Earwig picks up 55% similarity to JIGGER (October 17, 1944) from block quotes. It also picks up 26.5% in Guidi 2022. from another block quote. This article has a lot of block quotes. It looks like 10% of the article is block quotes alone; there's even one in the lead. I do not feel comfortable approving this DYK when many of these can be paraphrased and cut down. There are also multiple unsourced sentences in this article.
Other problems: - I cannot access the source provided to verify the hook as both Safari and Chrome are blocking my access as the website's certificate is invalid. Can you link another source?
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
(There seems to be much discussion about the article I didn't nominate and no discussion at all about the article I did nominate, August Del Gracio, who I think is more interesting than this guy.)
I'll admit it, I friggin love quotes. There are a couple of really saucy ones here that we need to keep, like Anslinger's quote. But yeah, we can paraphrase some of them. However, all of my Bacula notes are on my desktop back in California, and I'm still in Vermont with my laptop until the 16th.
As for a source to the trafficking volume, here is another one: https://archives.ungeneva.org/illicit-traffic-activities-of-carlos-fernandez-bacula . The source for the tonnage is literally on the first page of the Opium Advisory Committee (OAC) file, a French language newspaper clipping that the OAC inserted after his conviction. If you don't know French, the phrase is "d'une tonne et demie d'héroïne" which just means a ton and a half.
I can read French real easy, but I tried to write an article over on fr.wikipedia and they basically told me never to write in French until I was more advanced, haha.
Also, if you want to go with the hook, I have suggestion for alt: include the word "Peruvian Diplomat," somewhere in the hook.
@PizzaKing13: Sorry, slept in the airport last 3 nights. Just took the shuttle down to town yesterday, but I am in a temporary apartment until the 22nd still on my laptop. Then I will actually be set back up in my apartment again. I should get to my files sometime that night. Sorry things are HECTIC right now.
... that Tyla was criticized on Twitter after saying that the "we wanna party" chant was South African? Source: Briefly (archived): A Nigerian user on X accused Tyla of being malicious or dense for saying "we wanna party is South African. The netizen pointed out that Nigerian musicians have used the same chant, including Rema and Ayra Starr. The poster concluded by saying that Tyla's claim that the chant was South African was weird.
Interesting: - I don't think this hook is particularly interesting by itself, especially in the context of the article. When about half of the article describes the app's data leaks and the resulting backlash, a much more interesting hook would juxtapose the app developers' claims of protecting women's safety with the app's security issues.
QPQ: Done.
Overall: The article itself is fine, but I am concerned that the hook seems to portray the app as a safety aid when the article as a whole tells an entirely different story, which makes the hook appear promotional. An adjustment to the hook would resolve this. — Newslingertalk15:45, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed large amounts of criticism per the rationale in my edit summary. ALT1: ... that the app Tea has been praised as an aid for women's safety but sued for jeopardising that of its users?--Launchballer21:06, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 looks good to me, and I have struck ALT0. Your article edits appear to be within the bounds of reasonable editorial discretion, and the new hook satisfies my concern. — Newslingertalk08:31, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Completely forgot about this. I took it up on SickNWristed's talk page but given how extensive the policy violations I cleaned up were, I'm tempted to just revert. Was hoping either you or Newslinger could opine.--Launchballer17:26, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Wild story! But verified by both sources. Sufficiently new and sufficiently long. Copyvio on the article looks good, and QPQ is satisfied. Just a few notes...
Should "princess" not by capitalized, per MOS:PEOPLETITLES? Or is it being used generically?
It is being used genetically here, so I don't think MOS:PEOPLETITLES would apply here
Fair enough!
Is there a reason that Mahabharata is not linked? I am new to reviewing DYKs, so it's possible that I'm just insufficiently familiar with the policy on non-bolded links, but that article seems to be in decent condition and a link to it seems like it would be appropriate.
Tbh, I am not sure about it, usually such things like additional linkings are done by senior editors while they prepare the dyk for main page
Okay, got it.
I think ...became a widow at the very moment... might sound slightly better, but that doesn't disqualify this hook. I'll let you decide if you want to change it or not.
okay, I agree with your suggestion.
Made some edits to the info summary/licensing sections on commons to make the PD rationale more explicit, but the image does appear to be in the public domain both in India and the US. EDIT: Okay, everything looks good to me now! Spookyaki (talk) 05:49, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: Though I am still unconvinced about it failing DYKFiction criteria, I respect the consensus, therefore I can suggest following "real-life" alts:
... that the epic Mahabharata preserves two contradictory accounts of the death and cremation of Madri (pictured)?
... that introduction of Madri (pictured) in the Mahabharata marks the epic’s first portrayal of conjugal rivalry, with her emerging as Kunti’s principal rival?
... that some scholars dispute the Mahabharata’s account of Madri’s self-immolation on her husband’s pyre, often cited as one of the earliest attestations of the practice in Indian literature?
Hook 2: Hiltebeitel, Alf (28 July 2011). Dharma: Its Early History in Law, Religion, and Narrative; p 395-6
Hook 3: M. A. Mehendale (1 January 2001). Interpolations In The Mahabharata. pp. 200–201.; Pattanaik, Devdutt. "Maybe Madri did not commit sati in the Mahabharata?"; Kitts, Margo (1 May 2018). Martyrdom, Self-Sacrifice, and Self-Immolation: Religious Perspectives on Suicide; p 165
@Seyamar: Still feel fairly out of my depth in assessing WP:DYKFICTION, though if the original hook was ineligible, I don't really see how hooks 1 and 2 would be. They both discuss events that happen within the Mahabarata. Hook 3 seems the least likely to be an issue with DYKFICTION, but it's also a bit vague and hard to follow. Based on the sources, it seems like what is disputed is whether or not Madri committed sati, but that's not really very clear from the hook. You could go with something like:
...that while some say that the Mahabharata's account of Madri’s self-immolation is one of the earliest attestations to the practice in Indian literature, others say it is contradicted by the next stanza?
Or, to be honest, you could just say try:
...that some scholars say that the Mahabharata's account of Madri’s self-immolation is one of the earliest attestations to the practice in Indian literature?
I will say that I was able to verify all three hooks in their respective sources (though the page number for Hiltebeitel was 383, not 395). If anyone else has more insight on the application of DYKFICTION to the first two hooks, would be appreciated. Spookyaki (talk) 16:53, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that when Muş was besieged in the 850–855 Armenian Revolt, the winter conditions were so severe that many fighters lost fingers to frostbite?
Source: Shahinyan 2008, p. 111.: Как только наступила зима и выпал снег... жители Арминийи... явились к нему (Йусуфу А.Ш.) в столицу Таруна и осадили его. Йусуф выступил из города и сразился с ними, но они убили его и всех, кто воевал с ним... Большинство их погибло от холода и у многих из них отвалились пальцы [Translation: As soon as winter came and snow fell... the inhabitants of Arminiya came to him [Yusuf] in the capital of Taron and besieged him. Yusuf came out of the city and fought them, but they killed him and all who fought with him... Most of them died from cold and many had their fingers fall off]
ALT1: ... that Abbasid forces killed 50,000 residents of Tiflis when they sacked the city in 853? Source: Shahinyan 2008, pp. 112–113.: Пришел сюда (Буга А. Ш.) и осадил город Тбилиси, ибо не повиновался ему эмир Саак. Убил Саака, сокрушил Тбилиси, предал огню и разорил все окрестности его [Translation: "Bugha came here and besieged the city of Tbilisi, because emir Saak did not obey him. He killed Saak, crushed Tbilisi, set it on fire and devastated all its surroundings"] – Мусульманские авторы не скрывают количество заживо сгоревших жителей Тифлиса (Тбилиси) 50 тыс.[Translation: "Muslim authors do not hide the number of Tiflis (Tbilisi) , 50,000 residents burned alive"]
ALT2: ... that by the end of the 850–855 Armenian Revolt, most members of the nobility were the captives of the Abbasid caliph? Source: Ter-Ghewondyan 1976, pp. 43–44: Page 43: "All the leading Armenian nakharars had been taken prisoners — Page 44: "Bugha left Armenia in A.D. 855. All the leading Armenian nakharars had been taken prisoners, Laurent 1919, pp. 118–124: Page 122-123: "Quand l'opération fut terminée, en 855, on voyait à Samara le prince de Vaspouragan Achot Ardzrouni, avec son fils Grégoire, son frère Gourguen et sa mère Riphsimè; le prince de Taron, Bagarat Bagratouni... avec ses fils Achot et David... le prince de Bagaran, Sembat Bagratouni, généralissime des Arméniens; les princes de Siounie Vasak, Achot, Grégoire et Philippe... les princes Aternersch de Katchen et Sahl de Chaké... Tous avaient été emmenés avec leurs familles, y compris les femmes, avec leurs troupes nobles et avec leurs évêques."[Translation: "When the operation was completed in 855, one could see in Samarra... [long list of Armenian nobles]... All had been taken away with their families, including the women, with their noble troops and with their bishops."].
ALT3: ... that the subjugation of the 850–855 Armenian Revolt allowed several Arab tribes to seize territory in Armenia? Source: Ter-Ghewondyan 1976, pp. 44.: All the leading Armenian nakharars had been taken prisoners and the time had apparently come for the Arab settlers to make the most of the situation. The local Arabs had contributed in every way to the advance of Bugha's army, and gradually increased their own holdings.An important result of Bugha's expedition was thus the spread of the domination of the Arab emirs in Armenia. In addition to the 'Uthmanids, the Shaybani and the Sulami also extended their domains.
Comment: To do QPQ within a day or two. The expansion appears to only be about ~4.7 rather than 5.0 -- maybe we could IAR? I don't think there's much more to add.
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 400 past nominations.
You could do, but you then run the risk of a subsequent copyedit taking it under again. (I know me and Airship copyedit articles before promoting; you might get someone different.) GARC will get this eligible in less than two months.--Launchballer11:25, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the Christian population of Gaza became the largest in the region after the conquest of Palestine by the Ottoman Empire in 1517? Source: Feodorov, Ioana; Heyberger, Bernard; Noble, Samuel, eds. (2021). Arabic Christianity between the Ottoman Levant and Eastern Europe. Arabic Christianity texts and studies. Leiden Boston: Brill. ISBN978-90-04-46583-1.
New enough and long enough. QPQ present for both articles. Hook fact checks out and is in both articles. No textual issues. These are ready. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 04:02, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: PW Talks with Jim C. Hines "An editor named Kerrie Hughes wanted me to write a short story that brought my fire-spider Smudge from my goblin books into the present-day world."
Reviewed:
Comment: This was moved to mainspace by an AFC reviewer but I'm not sure how to indicate that. This is my first nom, so sorry if I should have done that differently.
Moved to mainspace by NovaHyperion (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Regrettably, the hook as currently written may not be suitable for DYK. Firstly, the hook might fall afoul of WP:DYKFICTION, since a hook about a work of fiction must have a real-world connection. Right now, it seems to be a borderline pass at best. The second is that the hook may not meet WP:DYKINT, as if a reader is not familiar with Hines or the character Smudge, the hook may be less appealing. A new hook is probably needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:18, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Okay, thanks for the notes. This is my first time at DYK, so I appreciate getting some feedback. I've proposed some alts below.
ALT1: ... that the short story Libriomancer is based on features a fire-spider from one of Jim C. Hines's other works?
ALT2: ... that an editor asked Jim C. Hines to write a short story based on one of his other novels, which turned into Libriomancer?
ALT3: ... that K.G. McAbee says Libriomancer shows Jim C. Hines's "love of sheer and unadulterated storytelling"?
I'm trying to focus on the fact that it was a part of the development of the story as opposed to part of the story itself, and while it is a fictional element I think the inclusion of a "fire-spider" is intriguing enough, but I've included ALT3 as an option if I'm not threading these needles correctly. NovaHyperion (talk) 21:40, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 and ALT2 are better on the DYKFICTION front, but probably less so from a DYKINT perspective since they are reliant on knowing who Hines is. ALT3 is slightly better but probably still not enough to pass DYKINT: it requires knowing who McAbee is, and quote hooks have underperformed among our readers in the past. To be honest, after a quick look at the article, I'm not actually sure if it has any material that would work as a hook. If you need any advice, I suggest you read WP:DYKINT first; I'm happy to give more advice if needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:43, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I read both WP:DYKINT and WP:DYKFICTION before trying to write any of these hooks (and did wonder if the first suggestion was a little borderline, but I wasn't confident enough either way). To me, these are interesting and something that would appeal to a wide audience, but I recognize that is somewhat subjective.
I'm a little confused how it is less interesting if someone does not know who Hines is, or how it's in any way reliant on that fact; he's a noteable author (with some decent name recognition, though far from famous), and he's the author of the book and the connection between him and the bolded article is clear in both places. Replacing his name with "the author" or some such strikes me as unnecessary obfuscation of an obvious and non-controversial fact, though if you feel something like that would work better I would be fine with that. I have taken a stab at this rewording based on that advice.
ALT2b: ... that Libriomancer began as a short story when the editor encouraged the author to bring a character from a different series into the modern world?
ALT3b: ... that a writer said Libriomancer demonstrated the author's "love of sheer and unadulterated storytelling"?
If ultimately this isn't a viable article for a nomination, I'm fine with that, if a little disappointed (nothing to do with your advice, I hope you can understand how that is a disappointing outcome). As I said, this is my first shot, and I'm sorry if any of the above comes off as rude in any way. If I'm going to make a nomination, I'd want it to have a decent chance at succeeding to avoid wasting either my time or the time of a reviewer, and clearly I am not yet understanding how to enact the criteria. NovaHyperion (talk) 01:54, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Let me restate that I am not trying to be rude, waste your time, direct any of my confusion at you in particular, or be difficult in any way. If you feel that I have gone astray seriously here and my understanding of the criteria is idiosyncratic with the consensus and this is just not a viable nomination, then whatever process needed to close this is fine with me.
Perhaps I am following the letter of the law rather than the spirit, because I am unclear what quote hooks have underperformed among our readers in the past means, with regards to how that is disqualifying from any of the criteria. As a frequent DYK reader, hooks with multiple links appeal to me because I am given the opportunity to learn about more than just the subject of the bolded link. I fail to see how some of the hooks provided in the essay you linked are not also reliant on external knowledge of the subject's creator (Demi Lovato and Fall Out Boy in particular).
I did run a couple of these hooks by people in my real life, and they were interested in knowing more. However, they were also confused by the time I got to a third iteration of a fact worded in a slightly different way, so I may have tainted my own dataset. NovaHyperion (talk) 10:59, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We still need to come into an agreement regarding a hook, as well as the nominator to understand our interest guidelines. Note that a full review has yet to be done; I plan to do one tomorrow as it is getting late here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:32, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article was nominated for DYK two days after it was moved to mainspace. It meets length requirements and I did not find any close paraphrasing. As this is the nominator's first nomination, no QPQ is required. The hooks are cited inline, but I am unsure if they meet the interest guidelines (I am leaning towards no). As Launchballer has also commented here, I am inviting them to give a second opinion on hook interest. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:37, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Toadboy123: This is not a review (for now), but a new hook may be needed here. For people who don't know the difference between an attack aircraft and a fighter plane, the hook would be confusing. "You mean an attack aircraft doesn't attack other planes?" Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:15, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Mary Karadja claimed that her poem Mot ljuset was based on a vision she had beside the grave of her husband and son?
Source: [11] "Poemul mistic Mot ljuset (Spre lumină) este de fapt o viziune pe care autoarea susţine că a avut-o în 1899, în capela Castelului de la Bovigny, când se ruga la mormintele soţului şi băiatului lor cel mare."
ALT1: ... that Mary Karadja founded the Christian Aryan Protection League to deport European Jews to Madagascar? Source: [12] "she founded the Christian Aryan Protection League with the goal of deporting European Jews to Madagascar"
ALT2: ... that Mary Karadja claimed that her poem Mot ljuset was spiritually dictated to her after she prayed beside the graves of her husband and son. Source: [13] "Prinţesa Karadja afirmă că cine citeşte poemul ar putea crede că este rodul unei îndelungi meditaţii, dar de fapt acesta i-a fost „dictat” în acea noapte de Sânziene, din 1899"
Not a review I took the liberty of adding more from the Romanian source, as well as other stuff in general; it caught my eye that what the source actually says is a bit more interesting than what the hook reduces it to: outisde of the snippet, Stănculescu renders Karadja's claim to have not just had a vision, but to have actually been automatically dictated the entire poem (Prinţesa Karadja afirmă că cine citeşte poemul ar putea crede că este rodul unei îndelungi meditaţii, dar de fapt acesta i-a fost „dictat” în acea noapte de Sânziene, din 1899). Make what you will of this. Dahn (talk) 09:11, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a very promising article, Spiderpig662. Frankly, this is one of the cases where I am stunned that we had not had an article about the subject before. I strongly suggest creating an article about the Christian Aryan Protection League, which need not be as detailed as the biography of Karadja, to nominate alongside this article. Such a double hook would do great on the Main Page. I also suggest expanding the lead to explain her career a bit more. Surtsicna (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: I have expanded the lead section as suggested. I am going to research the Christian Aryan Protection League and see if there is enough information for an article. Per Dahn's suggestion I have also added a more accurate alt hook. Spiderpig662 (talk) 21:44, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A minor point: I have located the original quote from Mary Karadja, where she adds more detail -- apparently, she used "inspired" for the process that Stănculescu describes as "dictated", and makes a point of noting that the two are not the same thing. So perhaps a tweak is needed, but not necessarily toward "dictated". Dahn (talk) 21:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also: I feel that the poem's name should be in italics, if we use the original title -- since quote marks are only used for English titles, whereas foreign expressions are generally italicized. Either that ore use "Into the Light". Dahn (talk) 22:06, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2a: ... that Mary Karadja claimed that she was spiritually influenced to write the poem Mot ljuset after praying beside the grave of her husband and son? Source: [14]
Source: Han solgte Danmarks første NFT-billede i 2021, som var et nøgenbillede af ham selv med titlen 'Den Neo Skandinaviske Mand'. [Translation: "He sold Denmark's first NFT image in 2021, which was a nude image of himself titled 'The Neo Scandinavian Man'."] Source article with Google Translation link to page
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Comment: May need alt hook that it was the first NFT image, if specificity is needed. First DYK nomination, apologies for any errors in submission.
Created by Haj (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Source: [1]: p. 25: " Ada Woodhill was a Sydney based actress [...]. [...] she met Dr Schnee and travelled with him to New York where they married on the 7th November 1901. [...] He became the Governor of German East Africa in 1912."
ALT1: ... that Ada Schnee wrote a memoir in 1918 about her wartime experiences in German East Africa that was only translated into English in 1955?
Source: [2] p. 23: "According to the memoirs of the British General Fendall who was in Dar-es-Salaam during the East African campaign, the wife of Dr Heinrich Schnee, the Governor of GEA, was 'a native of Australia or New Zealand." and p.25: " Ada Schnee nee Woodhill was born at Naseby, situated on the South Island of New Zealand on the 17th October 1873 (birth number 427 from folio 1222/1872).
Bared chests at the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China
... that the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, includes bound and kneeling statues of the general's accusers (pictured) that have been ritually reviled for centuries? Source: Müller, Gotelind (2022), Tombs and Transnational History in Greater China: A Collection of Case Studies, Berlin: Lit, p. 210.
ALT1: ... that the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, includes bound and kneeling statues of the general's pacifist enemies (pictured) that have been ritually reviled for centuries? Source: Müller, loc. cit., and Du, Mara Yue (27 February 2003), "Towards a Nation Defined by State: Tattooed Loyalty and the Evolution of Yue Fei's (1103–1142) Image from the Song to the Present", Journal of Chinese History, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. (The phrasing is tighter as is but explicit mention of Qin & al. supporting Gaozong's peace could be added if this hook is preferred and that felt needed.)
ALT2: ... that, despite the Maoist Red Guards' destruction of the Tomb of Yue Fei (pictured) in 1966, Xi Jinping took him as a childhood hero and his tattoo as a personal motto? Source: Du, op. cit. (Again the phrasing & content is tighter as is but explicit mention of Xi could be added if this hook is preferred)
ALT3: ... that, when the Tomb of Yue Fei (pictured) was reconstructed in 1979, it was rebuilt not as it had been before its destruction in 1966 but as it should have looked during the Song dynasty? Source: Kögel, Eduard (2015), The Grand Documentation: Ernst Boerschmann and Chinese Religious Architecture (1906–1931), Berlin: Walter de Gruyter, p. 161.
ALT4: ... that statues of Qin Hui, Lady Wang, Moqi Xie, & Zhang Jun (pictured) at the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, have been ritually pissed on, shat on, & beheaded for centuries? Source: Müller, loc. cit., Kögel, loc. cit., and Fu Chonglan; et al. (2019), Introduction to the Urban History of China, Singapore: Palgrave Macmillan, p. 225.
ALT5: ... that the Tomb of Yue Fei (pictured) was honored for centuries as a shrine to perfect patriotism & loyalty but destroyed in 1966 because the Song general was felt to have been a feudal oppressor? Source: He Libo (16 May 2006), "Pò 'Sìjiù' Fēngcháo de Qiánqián Hòuhòu" 破'四旧'风潮的前前后后 [Ins and Outs of the Campaign to Destroy the 'Four Olds'], Huáxià Wénzhāi Zēngkān, Dì Wǔlíngyī Qí: Wéngé Bówùguǎn Tōngxùn, Dì Sānsānwǔ Qī 华夏文摘增刊，第五〇一期：文革博物馆通讯，第三三五期 [China News Digest, No. 501: Cultural Revolution Newsletter, No. 335] (in Chinese), Gaithersburg: China News Digest International.
ALT6: ... that the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, features boobies (pictured)? Source: Müller, loc. cit. & Wikicommons imagery.
Comment: 1st, don't worry. You only need to check the hook most interesting to you. 2nd, if you really deeply prefer ALT1 or ALT2, just message my talk page and I'll redo the article to explicitly mention the needed point. 3rd, kindly do not add any links to the provided hooks. DYK is here to drive traffic to new/improved articles. People curious about Qin Hui or Hangzhou can get there from the links in the Tomb of Yue Fei page and don't need them in the hooks themselves.
5x expanded by LlywelynII (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 89 past nominations.
... that Matei Ghica(pictured) lost his Wallachian throne for supporting Greek immigrants, and was moved to Moldavia, where he became unusually submissive toward the natives?
Source: Multiple sources for the Wallachian portion, especially Panait I. Panait, "'Tot norodul Bucureștilor' în lupta pentru dreptate socială și libertatea patriei (sec. al XVIII-lea)", in Muzeul Național, Vol. VII, 1983, p. 179 (referring to the "collaboration of the classes" against Ghica and his Greek clique). The second part is based on Nicolae Iorga, "Prefața", in Documente privitoare la familia Callimachi, Vol. I, p. lxxvii, quoting boyar Enache Kogălniceanu -- see the verbatim quote on prea mult maidan (similar quotes from Kogălniceanu , showing his dismay at Ghica's subservience to his native boyars, in Dorin Dobrincu, "Privilegii fiscale în Moldova epocii fanariote (I)", in Suceava. Anuarul Muzeului Național al Bucovinei, Vols. XXIV–XXV, 1997–1998, pp. 201–202).
ALT1: ... that in 1752 Matei Ghica(pictured) took the throne of Wallachia with support from his father-in-law, allegedly by violating his own father's dying wish? Source: Full account in Nicolae Iorga, "Prefața", in Documente privitoare la familia Callimachi, Vol. I, p. lxxii.
ALT1: ... that Felix Mendelssohn described adding a slow introduction to his Rondo capriccioso as adding "sauce and mushrooms"? Source: Todd, R. Larry (2005). Mendelssohn: A Life in Music. Oxford University Press. pp. 228–229
... that "Gibbet Hill", an 1890 short story by the Dracula author Bram Stoker, was unknown to Stoker scholars until its rediscovery in the 21st century?
Source: BBC: "Gibbet Hill was originally published in a Dublin newspaper in 1890 - when the Irishman started working on Dracula - but has been undocumented ever since."
Comment: The 'easy' hook, that this was rediscovered in 2024 (per the headlines) doesn't actually work, as at least a few Stoker scholars had known about it for years, making this article a useful corrective to the not-fully-accurate headlines that were everywhere about a year ago. (I'll follow up with a review soon.)
5x expanded by J Milburn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 74 past nominations.
I have added myself as a co-creator as (with Hawkeye7's agreement) I have merged an article I was working on into this one. Feel free to remove me if you disagree - Dumelow (talk) 19:46, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that three films by Arun Bhattarai, who began his career in 2014 as a youth television director in Bhutan, have been screened at international film festivals?
Not a review (for now), but a new hook may be needed here. Bhattarai's films being showed in film festivals abroad is an accomplishment, especially for a Bhutanese filmmaker, but I'm not sure if the hook as currently written meets DYKINT. That angle could be revisited if nothing else could be found, but for now I would suggest proposing alternative options. Maybe mentions of the awards? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:08, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Caspar Schmalkalden's 17th-century travelogue comprises 489 handwritten pages with 128 pen-and-ink drawings (example pictured)? Source: Schmalkalden, Caspar (1983). Joost, Wolfgang (ed.). Die wundersamen Reisen des Caspar Schmalkalden nach West- und Ostindien 1642–1652 [The Miraculous Journeys of Caspar Schmalkalden to the West and East Indies, 1642–1652] (in German). Leipzig: F.A. Brockhaus Verlag. ISBN3-325-00204-8.
AirshipJungleman29, Manvi1820 Nice article! New enough, long enough, no copyvio per earwig. Both hooks are interesting, all images are old enough to be in PD. I can't find either “Iii!” or “Hulch!” in the German source, can you please show where it's mentioned? The source for the ALT is a German book I have no access to, so I'll assume the author checked it. Artem.G (talk) 10:28, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging Steffen Löwe Gera, who wrote the original German article, to see if they have anything to offer; otherwise this may have to be closed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:11, 22 August 2025 (UTC
Source: Schenk, G. (1986). "Als sich zum Prinzen die Prinzessin gesellte. Der Mainzer Rosenmontag im bürgerlichen Zeitalter (1856-1878)" [When the princess joined the prince. Rosenmontag in Mainz during the bourgeois era (1856–1878)]. Mainz. Vierteljahreshefte für Kultur, Politik, Wirtschaft, Geschichte (in German). 6 (1): 6. ISSN0720-5945.
ALT1: ... that the Mainz Rose Monday parade includes over 9,000 participants from Germany and abroad? Source: See "Composition and participants" section.
ALT2: ... that offensive carnival speeches threatened the 1863 Mainz Rose Monday parade? Source: Schütz, F. (1999). "Mainz. Die Geschichte der Stadt". In Dumont, F.; Scherf, F.; Schütz, F. (eds.). Die moderne Mainzer Fastnacht [Modern carnival in Mainz] (in German) (2 ed.). Mainz, Germany: Philipp von Zabern. p. 821. ISBN3-8053-2000-0.
Source: Mathematics in Postmodern American Fiction, page 262: "In the short story this strategy suggests a performance of the failure of language, whether natural or symbolic, to faithfully represent the infinitely dense temporality of the moment of death." Oblivion, page 167: "The thing is that it turns out that logical symbolism really would be the best way to express it [dying]"
Source: Harrogate Advertiser. for Conan Doyle playing billiards at The Harrogate Club. Edgecombe, Wilfrid (1957). Centenary of the Club, Harrogate. History 1857-1957. (offline) for the story about beating Edgecombe at billiards.
Comment: I have lightly cleaned up the image in Adobe Lrc to make it more presentable. I used upright auto to make the tables appear more level, making it less disorienting to the viewer, constrained the crop to the existing limits (without autofill), and used auto exposure to push the shadows and pull the highlights without AI enhancement. Dhaluza (talk) 15:54, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for going to so much effort for us, with the picture. However I have had to replace your new picture with the original, which I have rotated (using Gimp) for the same reason (and I never use AI either). However I have retained the original genuine colour. This billiard room is in a sensitively restored Victorian building, which means it has Victorian muted colours. The walls are a rich maroon, not cheap scarlet, and the baize on the tables is a discreetly gentle shade. Rather joyfully for us in the UK, the Harrogate Club is very un-American in appearance, and we would not want to deceive the public, would we. Storye book (talk) 08:40, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the regimental band of the British Central Africa Regiment were known as the "canary birds" because of their bright yellow pants?
Source: Verner 1906, p. 47.
ALT1: ... that married soldiers in the British Central Africa Regiment received private quarters, while their unmarried fellows slept in domitories? Source: Marjomaa 2003, p. 422.
ALT2: ... that the British Central Africa Regiment was formed of companies of different ethnic groups? Source: Moyse-Bartlett 1956, p. 125, Marjomaa 2003, p. 418.
... that by 1985, the Sanok Construction Company had constructed over 9,000 apartments, in addition to schools, industrial facilities, hotels, restaurants, a museum, a cemetery, and an ice rink?
Source: See multiple throughout article
ALT1: ... that the Sanok Construction Company operated its own medical clinic and had sports teams for shooting and volleyball? Source: Radzik (2014, pp. 135-136)
... that, according to the Reporter Dispatch, "UFO lawyer" Peter Gersten is "a cool-looking character — blue shades, shirt unbuttoned to the chest, tie untied"?
Overall: Fair amount of uncited material in the article, which at 14,000 words (not including 2,000 words of notes) makes it a wonder to have satisfied GA criterion 3b).
Lots of unreliable sources too: random YouTube videos [22][23][24], internet forums [25], blogs or blog-like websites [26][27], etc.
Some parts of the article, especially the notes, exhibit original research: see notes R, W, or AE.
On the hooks themselves, they are essentially the same but ALT0 is much more informal and probably too far; thus ALT1 would be preferred, possibly even ending after the second comma.
But any real discussion of hook preparation is premature, given the extensive issues with the article, which need to be worked on to avoid not only a DYK nomination fail but also a WP:GAR. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:39, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully ask, by what criteria did you judge these as random YouTube videos? The first is by Jim from Rerolling, a well-respected skater. Here is an interview he did with Brad, the founder of Endless Blading whose frame is mentioned several times in the article. The second is by Ivo, a well-respected figure in the industry whose YT channel and website house one of the most treasured stack of information about skates not found elsewhere. The third is by Lawrence, a veteran of the industry, and the current owner of the formerly glorious Fifty/50. Since 1996, the peak, all sorts of formal sources have dried off. Take a look at the 227 unique references in the article, and look the year of publication for books. The current set of references took more than half a year to find and assemble. Cheers. Fred Hsu (talk) 23:17, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fred Hsu, Jim, Ivo, and Lawrence may be "well-respected skater"s or "veterans of the industry" but unless their "work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications" their self-published YouTube videos may not be considered reliable (WP:RSSELF). Thanks, ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:01, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
AirshipJungleman29, two of the three links I posted above are work in the relevant field published by reliable, independent publications. But this is a never-ending game. Now one asks, how does one know these are reliable and independent publications? Who even are these publishers? And, which "work" is independently published, all of the previously mentioned videos? The truth is, inline skating is a niche market now. It has been ever since its peak in 1996. By the year 2000, barely anyone cared about it. A few people still wrote books about the sport in the early 2000's, but they were of the quality represented by this and this, with huge fonts, few words, large margins and no refererences, as cited in the article back in Nov 2024 - clearly recycled materials from proper books that had seen better days. The skates themselves continued to evolve even after its peak, for the last 30 years. But it's hard to find better sources for changes in the last 30 years than what I've managed to assemble so far. I try to use the best and earliest possible sources for any given topic, even buying two extant copies of the first-ever published book on inline skates. I discovered that book from an archived page of the Oxford dictionary's definition of Rollerblade. You are looking at the best of all available up-to-date sources very unfortunately. Thanks for taking an interest. Cheers :) Fred Hsu (talk) 00:54, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fred Hsu, Wikipedia's sourcing policy does not take into account rises and falls in a subject's popularity. If the best sources are from the 1990s, then they should replace the recent YouTube videos—reliability is prioritised higher than being up-to-date. I cannot approve this nomination in the article's current state. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:10, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Hamlin, Ann (1989). "Government archaeology in Northern Ireland". In Cleere, Henry L. (ed.). Archaeological Heritage Management in the Modern World. London: Unwin Hyman. pp. 171–181. ISBN0-04-445028-1. Fry, Malcolm F. (2003). "Preserving Ancient and Historic Monuments and Sites in State Care in Northern Ireland, c1921 to c1955. Part One: Establishing a System of Care". Ulster Journal of Archaeology. 62: 161–175. JSTOR20568324.
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Created by AFBorchert (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Very nice article. Length and date ok. QPQ not needed (no prior credits). Image free on Commons, but should have "(pictured)" in the hook. Caption of image could also be reworked, like saying this is the first protected monument in the UK. The article needs to have a direct reference for the hook fact, and the hook perhaps could use a rewording? --Soman (talk) 10:46, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Soman: Thank you for your review which is appreciated as this is my first shot at DYK. Actually not just the depicted round tower was protected in 1880 but a set of 19 ecclesiastical sites, all in Ireland. The site at Devenish Island is just one of them. The hook is referenced in the article, just see the first reference in the history section. It describes that the protection of these sites in 1880 preceded those of the rest of the United Kingdom where protection was introduced through the Ancient Monuments Protection Act in 1882. This act did not include Northern Ireland and since the Irish Church Act of 1869, Ireland (and later Northern Ireland) had its own legislation for the protection of monuments. That Ireland (or later Northern Ireland) was at the forefront in this regard appeared to me as an interesting fact that is also emphasized by the two references given above. Here is an alternative hook following your suggestions:
... that the ecclesiastical site at Devenish Island (depicted) was among the the first protected monuments in the United Kingdom?
And an alternative hook without a picture:
... that Northern Ireland was first to have protected monuments before the rest of the United Kingdom?
New enough, long enough, 16% on Earwig, and QPQ is done. It is neutralk to me, Hook is cited and in the article. Minor issues: the text Thus the maximum energy of lightning is not known with certainty. on "Highest energy" is unreferenced. Pinging @SpiralShell: for responce Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 08:04, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
2022 World Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles
Source: "American Sydney McLaughlin produced one of the greatest track performances of all time on Friday by shattering her own 400 metres hurdles world record to win World Championships gold. The Olympic champion charged home in 50.68 seconds, slashing 0.73 off her previous mark of 51.41 set at the same springy Hayward Field last month and becoming the first woman to run under 51 seconds in the event." (link)
Comment: The image should probably be cropped like in the article. This hook could be featured during the 2025 World Athletics Championships, the three rounds of the 400 metres hurdles are scheduled for 15, 17, and 19 September 2025.
Improved to Good Article status by Editør (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 24 past nominations.
... that Pridnestrovian Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic Prime Minister Stanislav Moroz was a participant at the Second Extraordinary Congress of Deputies of the Transnistrian Region of All Levels?
Source: Parliament of Transnistria ("On September 2, 1990, the 2nd extraordinary congress of deputies of all levels of Transnistria took place ... Stanislav Moroz was appointed Acting Chairman of the Council of Ministers [which is the same as Prime Minister of Transnistria].") - that source has a slightly different title for the congress - I went off the Russian Wikipedia title for it which is cited to Энциклопедия: Приднестровская Молдавская Республика [Encyclopedia: Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic]
Comment -- I've added a bit to the article, including more interesting details than the (sorry to have to say it) tedious hook that's being proposed here. Dahn (talk) 20:37, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. Maybe something about his role in kickstarting Transnistrian separatism or his "under constant psychological pressure" comment? Dahn (talk) 06:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Ulrich A. Wien (2017). "Kirche und Politik im Verständnis der Bischöfe Viktor Glondys und Wilhelm Staede", in RT 99, vol. 1, p. 123. (in German). Translated excerpt: “He was first appointed parish priest in the economically cosmopolitan city of Kronstadt in 1922, then elected vicar bishop to the elderly Bishop Dr. Friedrich Teutsch in 1930, and finally, in 1932, he became the first non-Saxon in 380 years to be elected bishop of the regional church.”
ALT1: ... that Viktor Glondys converted from Catholicism to Lutheranism during his philosophical studies in Graz, likely influenced by the teachings of Alexius Meinong? Source: Beyer, Hans (1964). Viktor Glondys, 1882–1949: ein Beitrag zur Geistes- und Kirchengeschichte des Südostdeutschtums zwischen den beiden Weltkriegen. [Festschrift für Balduin Saria zum 70. Geburtstag] (in German). Oldenbourg. p. 420.
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Comment: If relevant (I have never done this before), in the source it says "non-Saxon", which is meant to refer specifically to Transylvanian Saxons. This is clarified later when he refers to the Saxons from then on as "Siebenbürger Sachsen" (Transylvanian Saxon).
Moved to mainspace by Apollo468 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment: No, I don't really understand what most of the article is going on about (all credit to Abvdj who evidently does); that's why I took the hook facts from the lead!
Created by Abvdj (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.
Comment: Review most interesting hook only, and use others as backup if needed. You do not habe to review all hooks.
Currently requesting a public domain photograph of him from the University of Illinois, which could allow for an image to be included. The image can also be found on this site, so adding an image now is possible, but I'd prefer the original owners' premission.
ALT0 could also mention him being rejected.
Created by Guerreroast (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
Article is long enough and new enough. The sources used seem reliable and Earwig shows no copyright violations. QPQ has been done and the hook is sourced in the article. I slightly tweaked the hook, I hope that is okay - feel free to revert. Overall this is good to go, well done :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 12:14, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Spanish footballer Emilia Ibáñez scored 40 league goals in the 1985–86 season, but was only the second highest goalscorer in the league?
@DaniloDaysOfOurLives:, you can’t significantly change the hooky part of the hook and leave it in the same line, and you certainly can’t then approve it yourself. Your review is null because of that, and also shouldn’t be used for QPQ. I’ve added your version as an alt, and this is open for review for someone else. Kingsif (talk) 18:21, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...Really? I changed two words with pretty much the same meaning, which I said you could revert, and which editors do all the time. I was trying to be nice by reviewing this and I specifically said Feel free to revert. You could have just reverted it. You did not need to be so rude/defensive when I was trying to help you. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk)
Any non-typo change should really be a new alt, yes. But also, you didn't just change two words with the same meaning - you apparently fail to see the difference in intention and deliberate information/lack thereof presentation between still was not the top goalscorer in the league and was only the second highest goalscorer in the league. The hooky part, to me, is that "40's an awful lot how can't she be top goalscorer" elicits surprise, while "second highest" is just a rather bland simple statement. Kingsif (talk) 23:23, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kingsif: A valid QPQ can include words to the effect of 'X hook doesn't work but I can suggest Y', which the above does in different words, so Danilo's review still stands. That said, there are two unsourced body paragraphs and these deserve {{cn}}.--Launchballer19:37, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the English inventor Horace Dall invented a foldable telescope, a tube for flow measurements, and a pantograph which allowed him to engrave "280 bibles/square inch"? Source: various: for telescope [28], for tube [29], for pantograph [30]
... that two years after Zhang Juzheng's death, three close family members killed themselves, while ten of his descendants were starved to death in an empty house?
Source: Pang (2015), pp. 29–30.
ALT1: ... that after Zhang Juzheng was criticised for not adequtely mourning the death of his father, he eliminated around fifty opponents through self-evaluation tests? Source:
Huang (1988), pp. 526-527, 537
Peterson (1998), pp. 741-742
ALT2: ... that despite the renown of Zhang Juzheng's art collection, no paintings or calligraphy were found when the emperor confiscated his property? Source: Pang (2015), pp. 29–30.
... that an alleged deal between labour boss Ramsingh Verma and millowner R.C. Jall provoked a bitter dispute between Verma and union leader G.R. Tiwari, leading to the ousting of the former?
Source: Urban Politics in India, Area, Power, and Policy in a Penetrated System, Rodney W. Jones
Comment: It's been nominated for ITN, but only for non-blurb RD, so being on the Main Page will not preclude this nom. For ALT0: I'm sure folks around the world are globally familiar with the Malcolm X.
Created by Miraclepine (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 97 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that that EastEnders celebrated the anniversary of VE Day in 1995 and again in 2025? Source: [35]
ALT2: ... that Episode 7116 of the British soap opera EastEnders archived footage of people celebrating VE day in 1945? Source: [36]
ALT3: ... that viewers complained over the reopening of a fictional pub in an episode of EastEnders as they felt that it looked exactly the same? Source: [37]
Comment: Please feel free to tweak any of the hooks. For some reason it would not allow me to do this via the nomination form so I had to do it manually.
Improved to Good Article status by DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 32 past nominations.
... that Rama Alexander Asia attempted to make community forestry permits last up to 100 years, although legally it could only last for 25? Source: State, Communities and Forests in Contemporary Borneo p81: "the Bupati [i.e. Rama Alexander Asia] retained the sole right to issue a 'Community Forest Permit' [...] the draft regulation specified that a Community Forest Permit could be allocated for a period of 100 years. However, Decree No. 31/2001 states that [...] can only be allocated for 25 years."
Also, I started the drafts for all three in June, but published them today.
Further, there's discussion about these Jilly Cooper hooks here - inc. the suggestion to combine them.
Created by Lajmmoore (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 3. Nominator has 148 past nominations.
I don't think "badass bitch" belongs in WP:WIKIVOICE. Can this be reframed as a quote, perhaps? Otherwise, the all three articles are new enough (moved recently to mainspace) and long enough. The suggestion to combine three articles into a single DYK seems sensible to me. I think the lead sections could use some light editing, like probably breaking out another paragraph. The cover image of Prudence should be diminished in size per WP:DYKIMG. SpiralShell (talk) 19:36, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0b ... that whilst Prudence and Emily were "unsophisticated ducklings", Bella showed "badass bitchery"?
Does that work better SpiralShell? RE: images - I'm a bit confused by the comment - I haven't nominated any to go with the DYK as they are all fair use, and my impression was the image sizes listed in the link shared are just for when they are part of nominations? will do a touch up on the leads tomorrow Lajmmoore (talk) 20:05, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I misunderstood the image size guidelines, so ignore that part of my comment. Yes I think the quoted hook addresses my concerns. I'll do a small amount of editing on the leads too. SpiralShell (talk) 20:15, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Hello there, this is my third DYK nomination. The first one was ineligible, and the second one was unsuccessful due to me forgetting to credit the original nominator. The third one must be successful, because I have asked the original nominator, Sammi Brie, and the article was recently added to the good articles list.
Created by FaroeFO (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
I wanted to see what another user might come up with, so I let FaroeFO open the nomination. Unfortunately, this is not a hook I would have considered in this form. That said, there's the kernel of something here: Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 09:06, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that a Maryland TV station opened a low-power TV station and started a newscast in hopes of earning more national advertising revenue? [39]
Source: “ Around 1980, she began putting her talents as a designer to work in a professional capacity, creating clothes for productions mounted by avant-garde theater director and playwright Robert Wilson. She would continue to design for him for the next twenty years.”
@Launchballer: I have added more hooks as ALT3 and ALT4. Feel free to check it, and tweak if required. The earlier is an annual event, maybe unofficial and lesser known... While the latter has had trended. These hooks may trigger the interest for viewers. M.Billoo14:36, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I added it as an ALT. The source for the sentence probably should be in the Background section, but I need longer to decide how to word it.--Launchballer10:54, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’m a little confused by this article as this term only seems to be used in a historical context and I’m a little skeptical about the sources used. I will elaborate further on the talk page. IntentionallyDense(Contribs)02:40, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the writer Laurence Sterne became famous for a bawdy comic novel, and immediately sold a book of sermons? Source: "It is still a matter of some wonderment that, when Laurence Sterne rushed to London in the early winter of 1760 in order to bask in the glory of his newly found career as the author of The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, he had the presence of mind to throw some of his sermons into his bag. ... he seized the moment of notoriety to persuade Robert Dodsley to publish them" -- New 1996, p 1
ALT1: ... that the clergyman and novelist Laurence Sterne sold books of his sermons under the name of a self-insert fictional character? Source: "Sterne was fully aware ... that publishing sermons under the name Yorick might give umbrage, although his desire to tie himself as closely as possible to the success of Tristram clearly led to the decision to do so." -- New 1996 p.2. "Parson Yorick (Sterne's own alter ego) is a baffling cocktail of sublime religious humanity and downright lasciviousness" -- Turner 2010 p. 11
Comment: I don't think any of the interesting 18thC prints in the article would "read" at DYK size but I'd value a reviewer's input as to whether this hook should be illustrated.
5x expanded by LEvalyn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.
... that Triệu Quân Sự, a convicted murderer who escaped from prison four times, was being caught while playing online games twice?
Source: Escaped four times [52], Twice being caught while playing online games [53]
ALT1: ... that Vietnamese life-sentenced prisoner Triệu Quân Sự said that he escaped from prison because he wanted to get money to play games? Source: [54]
Reviewed:
Created by KhoaNguyen1 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Thank you, I have tried to reword the hook: ALT0a: ... that Vietnamese prisoner Triệu Quân Sự escaped from jail four times, and half of them ended up being caught while playing online games at internet cafés? KhoaNguyen1 (talk) 07:52, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: However, the Nixon Administration put his appointment on hold because Brooke had opposed G. Harrold Carswell's appointment to the Supreme Court and Nixon on other fronts.[2]
ALT1: ... that Harold Putnam was the 59th member of his family to serve in the Massachusetts legislature? Source: He was the 59th member of his family to serve in the Massachusetts General Court.[3]
Reviewed:
Comment: appointment is a little unclear in language, but I can't think of a better word, and "New England Regional Director for the United States Department of Health, Education, and Welfare" is way too long.
That's a good idea, I've rephrased how the article says it, to better align with what the source says, sorry about that. I am a little concerned about using HEW, since that acronym is obscure and likely to be lost on most readers. Perhaps an amended version: ALT0b: " ... that there was speculation Harold Putnam's appointment to a government position was delayed to punish an enemy of Richard Nixon?" The only thing slightly dubious there is calling Edward Brooke an enemy of Richard Nixon, so maybe: ALT0c: " ... that there was speculation Harold Putnam's appointment to a government position was delayed to punish Edward Brooke for being insufficiently loyal to Richard Nixon?" Or, in the pursuit of getting readers to click on Putnam's article, since Brooke would rightfully draw some clicks ALT0d: " ... that there was speculation Harold Putnam's appointment to a government position was delayed to punish an ally for being insufficiently loyal to Richard Nixon?" 1brianm7 (talk) 12:02, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure any of these hooks meet requirements. The label "America's Mother Teresa" doesn't make for a good hook and arguably violates the neutrality requirement imv because it focuses on a comparison a few people have made rather than the subject's own accomplishments. At least one of the sources comes off as laudatory to the subject. ALT1 is not suitable in its current form, it is not surprising or attention-grabbing that someone got a citizenship award for doing good deeds. ALT3 has the same problem as ALT0. (t · c) buidhe08:19, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe: To clarify, is this a full review (or the start of one), or are you making comments?
As for "America's Mother Teresa", breaking neutrality would be saying "... that Mary Jo Copeland is America's Mother Teresa because she's an amazing person"; stating that she has been called something because of actions she's done is perfectly neutral. All the sources for these hooks meet WP:RS. As far as hookiness, per WP:DYKINT, "Intriguing hooks leave the reader wanting to know more"; I imagine that people reading ALT1 would very well be interested in learning more about what Sharing and Carings Hands is, and Copeland's role in it.
I will review the article once a suitable hook appears. I do believe that we should avoid hooks that read as promotional about living people, I don't think that's controversial. None of the hooks talk about concrete accomplishment other than the organization existing, just various kudos that the article topic has received. "issues" is rather vague (t · c) buidhe13:31, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really see the need for this; I've yet to see a compelling argument that any of these hooks are unduly "promotional" without the "America's Mother Teresa" wording. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs14:54, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So I think if you wanted to amend the hook to say she was the first woman to represent a Tobago seat rather than being the first from Tobago then that would be definitely true (although it might need a different citation explicitly saying that?). But for the original hook of her being the first from Tobago I'm less certain. FWIW the source used to verify this does not necessarily look like it's the most robust or that it has done a thorough check on all possible claimants to the title (the article contains chronological paradoxes such as "She was initially an opposition member between 1998 and 2000, and then in government after the 1986 election") @UndercoverClassicist:, as someone who spots errors in "first" hooks, what do you think about this one? Cheers — Amakuru (talk)
I can't find a factual problem with it, but some unsolicited oar-sticking -- I do have some concerns under WP:DYKINT. There are only two seats on Tobago, and the Parliament of Trinidad and Tobago had only strictly existed since 1962. When Nicholson won her first seat (Tobago East), it had only ever been held by one other person, and likewise when she moved to Tobago West, she only had three predecessors there.Personally, I think "first [under-represented group] to X" factoids are dicey -- in general, they say less about the person's merits and more about the level of sexism/racism etc of the institution that kept the group out for so long (see WP:FIRSTWOMAN, and the point made more eloquently here.). However, four men in two seats hardly makes for an unmistakeable glass ceiling, so the "interesting" part of the hook is that she was elected as an MP -- not sure I'm seeing it. UndercoverClassicistT·C10:09, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as noted, the parliament had been around since 1925, not just post-independence so it's quite a long time actually although obviously everything was male-dominated back then. And if first women hooks are not interesting, how come we blurbed Connie Francis at ITN for being the first woman to top the US charts? I personally have no issue with the interest level, but maybe the DYK honchos will beg to differ... — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that visitors to the site of the Morozova Mansion have included Alexander Pushkin, Nikolai Gogol, Anton Chekhov, Maxim Gorky, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Winston Churchill, and Condoleezza Rice? Source: See various in article
ALT3: ... that the design of Moscow's Morozova Mansion was inspired by English neo-Gothic cathedrals? Source:
ALT1: ... that before playing professional football for the Green Bay Packers, Gus Rosenow had his left arm amputated and was shot in the leg by a friend?
Source: "World Metrology Day - 20 May 2025". [57] International Bureau of Weights and Measures and International Organization of Legal Metrology. "…the signing of the Metre Convention in Paris, in 1875 … provides the basis for a worldwide coherent measurement system that underpins scientific discovery and innovation, industrial manufacturing and international trade…"
Source: "Anniversary – Metre Convention". [58] Anniversary - Metre Convention - BIPM. International Bureau of Weights and Measures. Retrieved 20 August 2025. Measurements underpin every aspect of modern life—from ensuring fair trade and advancing technology to addressing critical global challenges like healthcare and food safety. The Metre Convention established the foundation for reliable, consistent and traceable measurement standards, which are essential for fostering trust and cooperation in a globalized world."
ALT1: ... that for more than a century, platinum‑alloy cylinders(pictured) underpinned global trust in scientific discovery, industrial manufacturing, and international trade?
Comment: Not a review but, I bolded the article you are nominating and italized the pictured. Please do this next time when you are nominating. Thanks.
... that Marcello Magni voiced over a dozen characters in the claymation series Pingu?
Source: “The actor appeared to be able to do anything, even speak in Penguinese as an inquisitive Penguin – as well as a dozen other characters – in the voiceover to the children’s claymation series Pingu.”
ALT1: ... that when Xu Jie was head of the Imperial University in the 1540s, he disapproved of his students focus on examination technique rather than real self-improvement? Source: Dardess (2013), p. 38.
ALT3: ... that many Fulani people, traditionally marginalised by governments in Benin, have turned instead towards jihadist insurgents? Source: See "Local and political factors contributing to the insurgency" subsection.
ALT3: ... that a member of Malpas helped make music for Sigur Rós, then made music that sounded like Sigur Rós? Source: Same as ALT2
ALT4: ... that Malpas have combined ukeleles with trip hop and mandolins with electronica? Source: Ukelele with trip-hop: various sentences from this review. Mandolins with electronica: quote from Aesthetica issue 66 - "Blending hypnotic electronica with the sound of mandolins..."
Comment: ALT2 is definitely the better version of that hook, but I included ALT3 just in case "made music" is considered too inaccurate considering Savours only produced and/or engineered for Sigur Rós. Apologies for so many hook choices, but I genuinely couldn't pare it down myself.
Moved to mainspace by Suntooooth (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.
ALT2: ... that Mexican flag football player Silvia Contreras appeared on the cover of the inaugural issue of Flag Football Nation magazine in 2024? Source: [8]
Reviewed:
Created by JTtheOG (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that in March 2024, one detainee at Antwerp Prison was tortured for several days in an overcrowded cell?
Source: "Overcrowding blamed after inmate tortured in Antwerp prison". Belga News Agency. 2024-03-13. Unions said the man, held in a cell designed for three, was tortured by five cellmates over several days while guards were overwhelmed by overcrowding and understaffing.
ALT1: ... that at the 19th-century Antwerp prison a central observation platform allows guards to simultaneously monitor four wings of cells? Source: "Gevangenis van Antwerpen" (in Dutch). Onroerend Erfgoed. Aan de ingang herinnert een gedenkplaat aan de terechtgestelden en politieke gevangenen uit beide wereldoorlogen.
... that the society of Champa, a medieval state in modern Vietnam, adopted Indian astronomy, calendars, writing scripts, religion, social hierarchy, and political systems?
Source: See very many throughout article.
ALT1: ... that one issue with understanding the society of Champa is that available inscriptions are concerned near-exclusively with the elite, and ignore ordinary people? Source: Shveyer 2014, p. 222.
Comment: Definitely open to suggestions here, these two are the first hooks that popped into my head and they're both pretty similar.
Comment: Checked for copyvio w/earwig. Looks OK. Most similar phrase was a list of charges, which can't be rephrased. But need to address flagged lede. Dhaluza (talk) 01:58, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Created by CommissarDoggo (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that the German Hospital Ship Tübingen was sunk by British aircraft on 18 November 1944 as a result of "a curious mixture of bad luck and stupidity"?
Source: "On 19 November the Royal Air Force headquarters in the Mediterranean had telegraphed the Air Ministry: 'The report is too long and intricate to lend itself to summarizing in a signal, but the incident was the result of a curious mixture of bad luck and stupidity.'" from: "United Kingdom/Germany, Sinking of the Tübingen in the Adriatic". International Committee of the Red Cross. Retrieved 12 August 2025.
Comment: Would be nice if it could run on 18 November for the anniversary, but appreciate it might be too far away (depends on how long the backlog lasts, I suppose)
Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 939 past nominations.
... that the "two Ibnu" refers to Ibnu Said and Ibnu Wahyutomo, two diplomats who carried out bureaucratic reforms within Indonesia's foreign ministry? Source: Surya, M. Aji (June 2013). "Percayakan Pada Duo Ibnu" (PDF). QuAs (in Indonesian). Inspektorat Jenderal Kementerian Luar Negeri. Retrieved 16 August 2025.
Over the past few months, there have been chronic reports of individuals posing as Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials, in many cases using these guises to commit unlawful acts. Impersonation of law enforcement is not an uncommon occurrence in the United States, but the Trump administration’s aggressive immigration policies, and the particular ways in which ICE enjoys anonymity, have led to increased opportunities for such behavior, endangering and exploiting immigrants and their communities, regardless of their status.
Source: "... the court convicted Suitbert of fraud... the court sentenced Suitbert to five years in the prison at Hoorn... (p. 470)... Mollinger’s collection is by far the largest and rarest in the United States (p. 447)" (all from Finding Father Mollinger: The Historiography of a Catholic Priest).
... that Nereus Mendenhall(pictured) led a delegation to the Confederate States Congress in April 1862 to allow military exemption in the Confederate Army for Quakers?
... that, after the family which owned it went extinct, the Ferber House was rumoured to be haunted? Source: Masłowski, Aleksander (2 January 2010). "Dom Ferberów". ibedeker.pl. Retrieved 17 August 2025. Kiedy Ferberowie wymarli budynek przez dłuższy czas był niezamieszkany. [...] Przez długie lata stał niezamieszkany i przez ludowy zabobon był uważany za siedzibę pokutujących duchów byłych właścicieli, które musiały pokutować za swoje grzeszne życie.
Length, date, hook ok. Close paraphrase not found. Image free on Commons. But the QPQ has already been used for another DYK nom. --Soman (talk) 19:08, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Chugoku Shimbun[米人気歌手のプリンスに憧れてバンドを組み、２年生のときには生徒会長を務めるなど活発ではあったが、「成績は学年でも下の方。また冗談を言っている」と聞き流した。"He formed a band after admiring the popular American singer Prince, and was active, serving as the student council president in his second year, but he heard that 'the grades are lower in the grade, and he's also making jokes."
ALT1: ... that Tsugumasa Muraoka became the second youngest governor in Japan after being elected in 2014 at the age of 41? Source: The Asahi Shimbun[村岡氏は三重県の鈴木英敬知事（３９）に次いで若い知事となる。Muraoka will be the second youngest governor after Mie Prefecture Governor Eikei Suzuki (39).] [山口県知事選は２３日投開票され、無所属新顔の元総務省職員村岡嗣政（つぐまさ）氏（４１） "The Yamaguchi Prefectural Governor election was held on the 23rd, and the candidate was Tsugumasa Muraoka (41), a new independent candidate and former Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications official."
... that Alexander McQueen was accused of misogyny after a model in his Eshu collection (Autumn/Winter 2000) was fitted with a mouthpiece that forced her lips into a snarling expression? Source: Blood Beneath the Skin p 241-242
... that a lowly garrison soldier(pictured in old age) was responsible for relocating the Western Han capital from Luoyang to Chang'an?
Source: Hung Hing Ming (2011), The Road to the Throne: How Liu Bang Founded China's Han Dynasty, New York: Algora Publishing, pp. 172–4 (in English), largely cribbing the Book of Han biography of Lou Jing (in Chinese).
ALT1: ... that a lowly garrison soldier(pictured in old age) was credited with the decision to relocate the Chinese capital from Luoyang to Chang'an? Source: idem.
ALT2: ... that Liu Bang was set to have the Western Han capital at Luoyang until Lou Jing(pictured) convinced him otherwise? Source: idem.
ALT3: ... that Liu Bang, the first emperor of China's Han dynasty, not only listened to a grunt soldier's complaints about his capital but acted on the advice and elevated the soldier to a lordship? Source: idem.
ALT4: ... that Lou Jing (pictured) convinced the Han emperor Liu Bang of the necessity of marrying his eldest daughter to steppe nomads but the Empress Lü had other ideas? Source: Book of Han biography of Lou Jing (in Chinese).
ALT5: ... that Liu Bang, the first emperor of China's Han dynasty, was so impressed by a grunt soldier's complaints about his capital that he renamed the soldier to make him part of the imperial family? Source: Hung Hing Ming (2011), The Road to the Throne: How Liu Bang Founded China's Han Dynasty, New York: Algora Publishing, pp. 172–4 (in English), largely cribbing the Book of Han biography of Lou Jing (in Chinese).
Comment: 1st, don't worry. You only need to check the hook most interesting to you. 2nd, kindly do not add any links to the provided hooks. DYK is here to drive traffic to new/improved articles. People curious about Liu Bang, Chang'an, or the Xiongnu can get there from the links in the Lou Jing page and don't need them in the hooks themselves.
Created by LlywelynII (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 90 past nominations.
... that Walter Bgoya published a novel by Aniceti Kitereza almost 30 years after it had been written? Source: Carter, J. Roger (January 1982). "Aniceti Kitereza - the story of a Tanzanian writer". Tanzanian Affairs.
ALT1: ... that Walter Bgoya said African intellectuals have a responsibility to raise awareness of the poverty of politics? Source: "Tanzanian Publisher Mkuki na Nyota Is Championing Kiswahili Literature on the Global Stage". Brittle Paper. 18 December 2024.
ALT2: ... that Walter Bgoya said Kiswahili is more than a language—it’s a unifying force in East Africa? Source: "Tanzanian Publisher Mkuki na Nyota Is Championing Kiswahili Literature on the Global Stage". Brittle Paper. 18 December 2024.
ALT3: ... that Walter Bgoya's son published the first African-language translation of a novel by Nobel Prize winner Abdulrazak Gurnah? Source: Chalamilla, Karen (30 July 2024). "Mkuki Bgoya: "Swahili writers should be mandatory reading in Tanzania, but there's a deep trauma around books"". African Arguments.
Comment: I'm a bit hesitant to use this hook as it can be applicable to those stations. If anyone can find any ideas on the station's mural, it'll be heavily appreciated! Would like ALT1 to run, ALT0 could be used for other articles, like Aljunied MRT station, if it were to be nominated for DYK.
Improved to Good Article status by Icepinner (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that Kembangan station is decorated with murals of a church and a mosque?
@Hassocks5489: sure, that works. It's just that in Singapore (among other places, presumebly), having a mosque and a church in the same place is a ubiquitous sight, so I didn't really think of it. I like the juxtaposition in ALT1, thanks for the suggestion :) Icepinner12:08, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Not a happy article for me as I'm a Coventry supporter 😀 but it was an interesting match overall. Happy to hear alt suggestions for hooks - if the above doesn't work then perhaps an alternative angle on Luton going from non-league to premier league, or the fact that both the two teams were playing in League Two in 2018?
Improved to Good Article status by Amakuru (talk) and Egghead06 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.
Source: "Ms Rusk was stylist to the stars and her clients included the Duchess of Kent, actress Greta Scacchi and singer Sharleen Spiteri. The Texas front woman worked as a trainee in one of the Rusk salons before going on to pursue her music career." from: "Rita Rusk: Scotland's first lady of hairdressing dies aged 75". BBC News. 29 December 2022. Retrieved 15 August 2025.
... that Indonesia's incumbent ambassador to Hungary Penny Dewi Herasati and to ASEAN Derry Aman are married? Source: "M.I. Derry Aman Direktur Mitra Wicara dan Antar Kawasan: Kerjasama Kemitraan ASEAN untuk Kesejahteraan Indonesia" (PDF). Majalah Masyarakat ASEAN. No. 9. September 2015. p. 48.
... that the Armenians were enraged when their 60-year-old king married the 12-year-old Sibylla of Cyprus?
Source: "It is noteworthy that Leo II, who was sixty years old and was described as being extremely passionate, has abandoned his first wife in order to marry Sibylla, who was barely twelve. Leo's new mariage aroused the ire of his felow-countrymen, some of whom conspired without success to block his return." (Coureas 1995, p. 34)
ALT1: ... that Sibylla of Cyprus might have been promoted as the rightful queen of Jerusalem had she not had an Armenian husband? Source: "... the rightful heir to the crusader kingdom would have been Sibyl ... but it is doubtful how far an Armenian king-consort would have been acceptable to the baronage of Jerusalem. This may explain why, although the question of Isabel I's divorce from Humphrey was not forgotten by the Holy See, it was never pursued with any degree of rigour, because the political implications for the Latin East would have been very difficult to handle." (Hamilton 2016, p. 228-229)
... that in researching the history of Hamilton County, New York, Ted Aber created a series of alphabetized files on 1,600 family names?
Source: "Mr. Aber, the 73-year-old official historian of Hamilton County, once knew the name and location of every person buried within its boundaries - and even many outside. That was in the 1960's, when he and the former county historian, Stella King, were researching their book, The History of Hamilton County.... These days, Mr. Aber spends most of his time digging for other people's roots. Inquiries come by mail and telephone and sometimes in person.... They have him rifling among his 1,600 alphabetized family-name files with their hand-recorded entries that note, for instance, that on Thursday, Aug. 12, 1897, Gladys Bevins is visiting her grandparents, Mr. and Mrs. S. H. Bevins at Chester." New York Times, https://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/27/nyregion/the-lure-of-local-history-keeps-a-digger-digging.html
... that sculptures from the series Lynch Fragments by Melvin Edwards are made with metal scraps and objects like axes, barbed wire, chains, nails, padlocks, spikes and wrenches?
Source: Brenson, Michael (1993), "Lynch Fragments", in Gedeon, Lucinda H. (ed.), Melvin Edwards Sculpture: A Thirty-Year Retrospective, 1963–1993, University of Washington Press/Neuberger Museum of Art, p. 21: "They may retain a high degree of literalness and an air of practicality because of their bolts, chains, gears, hammers, jacks, nails, padlocks, scissors, spikes, and wrenches, but their compositional exchanges, sculptural unity, and poetic suggestiveness are always more persuasive [...]"
Gregg, Gail (February 1995), "Poetry in Heavy Metal", ARTnews, vol. 94, no. 2, p. 106: "Relics of his own childhood in the segregated south are woven throughout his steel relief pieces: bicycle chains, auto parts, barbed wire, cups, knives, farming implements."
Moura, Rodrigo (2018), "Lynch Fragments: Pieces of Life, Shards of History", In Pedrosa, Adriano; Moura, Rodrigo (eds.), Melvin Edwards: Lynch Fragments, Sao Paulo Museum of Art, p. 9: "Shovels, axes, rakes, and horseshoes evoke the rural context of the U.S. South, where the artist's ancestors settled and where he spent part of his childhood [...]"
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Improved to Good Article status by 19h00s (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that Anne Bayley's clinical research in Zambia showed, contrary to widespread opinion in the early 1980s, that HIV could be spread through heterosexual sex?
Source: Providing two medical journal sources: "Bayley realised that HIV was the underlying problem in her patients with aggressive Kaposi’s sarcoma, which she thought implied heterosexual transmission. Not everyone agreed, convinced that it was spread by sex between men.... Bayley’s clinical reports resulted in the US Centers for Disease Control sending a team to Lusaka, leading to the recognition of heterosexual transmission of HIV." British Medical Journal, https://doi-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/10.1136/bmj.r574 "In the early 1980's AIDS was thought only to be transmitted by men to men, or through blood transfusion, as in the Western world it was initially most prevalent in the gay community. However, in the mid 1980's, prompted by Bayley's clinical reports, the US Centre for Disease Control (CDC) sent a team to work in Lusaka, and this collaboration resulted in a publication recognising the herterosexual transmission of HIV." World Journal of Surgery, https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00268-023-07022-4
ALT1: ... that Anne Bayley became a physician in the 1950s because she was not allowed to become a priest? Source: "From an early age she wanted to be a priest, but it was not then an option for women; so she chose medicine." Church Times, https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2025/28-march/gazette/obituaries/obituary-the-revd-professor-anne-bayley "Throughout her life Bayley was a committed Christian, first experiencing a call to priesthood as a young woman, which she was unable to follow as women could not be ordained at that time. Instead, she studied medicine at Girton College, Cambridge, followed by clinical training at the Middlesex Hospital Medical School, qualifying in 1958." British Medical Journal, https://doi-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/10.1136/bmj.r574
Source: Tom Bryant, Not the Life It Seems (2014), pg. 93. " 'The method acting,' [Way] explained [...] "It's something that I've done time and time again while I've been recording. For example, when I sang "You Know What They Do to Guys Like Us in Prison", I was running pornography in the room.
ALT1: ... that "You Know What They Do to Guys Like Us in Prison" was inspired by a kiss shared by Gerard Way and Bert McCracken during a game of truth or dare? Source: Tom Bryant, Not the Life It Seems (2014), pg. 95. "It seemed fitting that McCracken should sing backing vocals on the high-kicking, flailing stomp of 'You Know What They Do to Guys Like Us in Prison', a song inspired by the two singers sharing a kiss in a game of on-the-road truth or dare."
Comment: If possible, reviewing and running this hook during the fair - in the next twelve days before 1 SEPT - could be great, though I recognize this is last minute.
Created by Darth Stabro (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 52 past nominations.
Moin, A. Azfar (2012). The millennial sovereign: sacred kingship and sainthood in Islam. South Asia across the disciplines. New York [N.Y.]: Columbia University Press. p. 147. ISBN978-0-231-16036-0.
ALT1: ... that in the Tarikh-i Alfi, the Mughal emperor Akbar is portrayed as a messianic figure? Source: Same as for above
... that the 74th Street Generating Station's interior was once described as "an industrial-grade Grand Canyon"? Source: [Gray, Christopher (May 17, 2012). "Old, Massive, Illustrious And Somehow Overlooked". The New York Times.] "A visit inside the East 74th Street power station is awe-inspiring, an industrial-grade Grand Canyon. The south half of the building, originally for generators, is almost empty. The space soars like the interior of Grand Central, but in work clothes instead of fancy dress."
ALT1: ... that the 74th Street Generating Station was once compared to Grand Central Terminal "in work clothes instead of fancy dress"? Source: [Gray, Christopher (May 17, 2012). "Old, Massive, Illustrious And Somehow Overlooked". The New York Times.] "A visit inside the East 74th Street power station is awe-inspiring, an industrial-grade Grand Canyon. The south half of the building, originally for generators, is almost empty. The space soars like the interior of Grand Central, but in work clothes instead of fancy dress."
ALT4: ... that the 74th Street Generating Station's original engines were thought to be the largest stationary steam engines ever constructed? Source: Behring, Thomas H. (October–November 2023). "The Engines That Made Manhattan". Mechanical Engineering. Vol. 144, no. 6. American Society of Mechanical Engineers. p. 44.
... that due to sharing a name with a character from the anime K-On!?, voice actress Azusa Tachibana's mother pushed her to join her high school band? Source: https://seigura.com/senior/119722/ (アニメ『けいおん！』を見たお母さんが、「あなたと同じ名前の子がいるわよ。楽しそうだし、やってみれば？」と言ってくれて。)
Comment: Additional hook suggestions are welcome. Special thanks to Hey man im josh for coming up with the wording. The character's name is Azusa Nakano, so if the hook should say "first name", let me know.
Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 115 past nominations.
... that Bootles' Baby's author's baby was Bootles? Source: "His mother Henrietta was a novelist ... in 1885 her novel ‘Bootles Baby: a story of the Scarlet Lancers’ first appeared ... Eliot, known as ‘Bootles’ to his family..." Macdonald 2013
ALT1: ... that Edison Studios doubled the length of their Bootles' Baby adaptation after a competing British film was released? Source: "Edison released the one-reel Bootles’ Baby in 1910 ... four years later, in 1914, after London Film Company produced a British version of Bootles’ Baby, Edison reissued the title (as Bootle’s Baby, making the name singular), billing it as a “Two-Reel Edison Drama. An Improved Version of John Strange Winter’s Delightful Story.” Edison either remade the 1910 film or added new scenes to increase the length of the original" AFI Catalog -- doubled from one reel to two
ALT1: ... that after the last vacant office space in Chicago's IBM Building was leased out in 1975, it remained fully occupied for the next two decades? Source: Kerch, Steve (March 21, 1993). "Computer firms lead lease upsurge". Chicago Tribune. p. Q2F.
ALT1: ... that Sozomeno da Pistoia's collection of manuscripts, bequeathed to the city of Pistoia before his death in 1458, is considered "the very first trace of a public library in Italy"? Source: [67] p.50
... that the earliest evidence of vocal learning in waterfowl was a musk duck named Ripper saying "you bloody fool"?
Source: ten Cate, Carel (2021). "Re-evaluating vocal production learning in non-oscine birds". Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences. 376 (1836) 20200249. doi.org/10.1098/rstb.2020.0249
ALT1: ... that a musk duck named Ripper could say "you bloody fool"? Source: Lu, Donna (7 September 2021). "'You bloody fool': Australian talking duck can imitate speech". The Guardian
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Created by Ethmostigmus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
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Article meets the requirements and the hook is interesting. It is long enough and was expanded 5x and Earwig shows no copyright violations. Well done! :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 23:04, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
Pulled owing to CLOP concerns raised at WT:DYK#Emirto de Lima. These will need to be resolved before this can be re-approved and re-promoted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:28, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
The article is long enough and new enough. NYT is a reliable source, but inaccessible to me so I cannot check for close paraphrasing. The basic facts check out, though. QPQ is done. The article needs more wikilinks; even some crucial articles are not linked. The proposed hook is also rather lackluster. Mending fences? The guy apparently divided Korea. Can we not go with that, Thriley (talk)? Surtsicna (talk) 21:07, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
request a second opinion to help look at the notability concerns. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:41, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
fail the DYK. I won't AfD the article, as it seems to have potential, but if ChiJap wants to argue the case there let me know and I'll start a discussion and put the DYK on hold pending the result. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Reopening as notability was established at the AfD.--Launchballer 09:55, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
I love multi-hooks and these are all hilarious, Launchballer. Jay Rayner's review of Le Cinq is one of the topics that definitely belong on Wikipedia, yet few would think of writing about. The article has been tagged with Template:Non-free by Tbhotch, but there is no discussion of it on the talk page. Could we straighten this out here? Should we say in wikivoice that "he had been irritated by people moaning about the cost of eating out"? Reference #4 is just a link with a title, nearly a bare URL reference. I am not sure if the article can count as new: the entire content was split from Le Cinq a month after that article was created and nominated here. Other than that, length and sources pose no problems, and I particularly like how the article balances different POVs.
ALT1 is approved. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:53, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
Moved from WT:DYK
- No, Dan Pashman was expanded from 127 words (or generously outside the 7 day from 83 words) to 291 words in the last 7 days. Not fivefold.
Working - I'll do a full review on this after work, once my children are in bed. TarnishedPathtalk 02:40, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
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@Agent VII: Article is long enough and was nominated on the day of creation. Image is free. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 09:10, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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